It's easy to reform brother hood relationships with those that you went to school with, but it's another thing to walk into a fishing hall on July 12, 2003 and realize that everyone there was just like me and acted as if my brother. It gave me a warm feeling of understanding amongest men I've never met; but who acted and talked the same way I do. An example of a brother whom you never met and you say one word and they think just like you. Tropicaire Drive IN, hall way corner, shorty,s and on and on...even once I met a young Cuban guy walk into a lobby of a hotel and I knew he was a TDT becuase of his attitude. I liked him from the minute I met him but also knew he was a BS er about his fishing prowess......

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/22/2003 05:08:38

By Kris

Brother Grant, would you mind expounding alittle more on these "warm feeling" amongest men you've never met.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/22/2003 07:59:24

Kris ,at least identify yourself if you are willing to write on the thread.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/22/2003 11:52:59

By Kris

You too.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/23/2003 01:31:27

By Art Abney'68

Well Gus,when I was a kid it meant that I was one of an elite group of guys that were the toughest most dynamic most athletic best looking most popular guys in any club in Miami.A fraternity with more history and tradition than any other by far.It made me proud of myself that I would be so honored to be a Stag.I attended both Southwest and Palmetto and the fraternities in both those schools were pissants compared to us and I felt very strongly about that.A persons character is formed at an early age and we all developed our individual characters together because we were young together and had those juvenile experiences together.We're all old now but we are,all of us,essentially the the same guys we were back then.The fraternal bond I feel towards you guys still is because we went through those formidable years together kind of a rite of passage that is unique only to us.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/23/2003 07:38:19

Kris...whoever you are ID yourself either on this on send me E mail direct and we will discuss whatever you care to discuss...if you don't care to identify yourself stay the hell off this website......

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/24/2003 09:49:18

By Chuck Saunders

Kris,

It appears to me that by asking the question,

"Brother Grant, would you mind expounding alittle more on these "warm feeling" amongest men you've never met."

that you have not had, and may never have,
this unique experience. Most of the Brothers I have not had the opportunity to meet, and they may not even know who I am, yet there is a bond between us. They know and feel it, as I do. It is your loss if you never have this type of feeling. If it has to be explained, you don't get it.

Chuck Saunders 63

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/24/2003 10:44:38

If I could catch a rainbow
I would do it just for you.
And share with you it's beauty
On the days you're feeling blue.
If I could build a mountain
You could call your very own.
A place to find serenity
A place to be alone.
If I could take your troubles
I would toss them in the sea.
But all these things I'm finding
are impossible for me,
I cannot build a mountain
Or catch a rainbow fair
But let me be...what I know best,
A friend that's always there.

Sorry been away for while, I hope this
helps who we are to each other.

Ivan

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/24/2003 12:49:25

Very nice Ivan. Hope you and the family have a great Thanksgiving. Herb PS I'll check the yearbook this weekend.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/24/2003 08:22:30

Chuck , well said.. ...

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/28/2003 12:58:16

By Chuck Saunders

Thanks, Gaston. Hope to meet you at the next reunion!

Chuck

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/29/2003 12:19:54

In the spirit of looking for a little trouble..I haven't heard from Kris....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/29/2003 06:18:39

Don't start trouble.. ...

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/30/2003 02:33:38

By Janet Eaton

i'm not a brother but do consider myself part of the group. being chosen by the guys who were the hottest and the most popular and certainly the most fun to be around to be their sweetheart was one of the happiest moments of my life. the attitude of the guys (as reflected in this thread) was also attractive. they took no shit from anyone and i felt protected and loved by many guys. it took no effort, in fact, it was great enjoyment to begin talking and seeing these special guys again. it is a lifetime relationship that is special only to us.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/30/2003 04:29:38

Thanks for your support and impute to the thread...and yes it was the attitude of the guys of the 50's both then and now...by the way I wish I had the opportunity to make a presentation in front of Joel...

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 11/30/2003 05:17:32

Janet, consider yourself part of the group as you were just as important to Stags as were the Brothers.I opened this thread in hopes to get a response to what it ment then and now,but the response has been quite shocking to me as it has been to other brothers that have e-mailed me and can't figure out how hard it would be to say something.. ... I for one don't believe it would be necessary to make a statement as I know by now all of you should know how I feel about Stags and what it ment and means to me.. ...I just hope that this was just not a one time moment and that it does again pick up steam and become another special event in our lives before it is to late.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 12/04/2003 11:00:56

By Jim Kavney

What is Brotherhood? If you are a Brother no explanation is necessary. If you are not no explanation is possible. We know it not because we were told by others but because we feel it. It is truly a remarkable experience that cannot be shared with others who are not Brothers. Oh, we can tell them about it and try to make them understand, but they never will because it can't be conveyed by words only by shared experiences.
We all shared the same experience at the same age at different times. It doesn't matter whether it happened to you in the 40's, 50's, 60's or 70's. We all shared the experience of being in a massive group and being selected to belong to a unique group. A group that was admired by all.
Our Brotherhood existed for approximately 26 years. If we graduated 15 seniors a year that would give us 390 Brothers from 1948 to 1974. This estimate may be a little high, but we who remain alive today are unique in the fact that of all the people on earth we can only share this feeling of brotherhood with our Brothers.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 12/05/2003 05:32:42

Well said........

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 12/05/2003 05:41:09

By Gaston Ruiz ( 1968 )

Jim , I love your response.. ... Just the kind that I have been looking forward to read from other Brothers .. ... thank you.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 12/14/2003 07:34:50

Meaning of Brotherhood ???? you should have been with us on thursday.. ...that was Brotherhood.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 12/15/2003 07:50:49

Gaston, don't confuse Lust and the strong desire to consume massive amounts of Greasy Food and Beer as Brotherhood.
Just kidding!
Maybe we should give Hooters a second chance to get it right for the next BNO, but only if we get the same waitress.
Herb

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 12/16/2003 11:22:53

By Janet Eaton

I see you guys are the same! Can't take the 18 year old boy out of the 53 year old man!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 12/30/2003 09:42:45

meaning of brotherhood to me ..... Having the love and prayers of those who took the time to comfort me and my family thru the hard times when my son was gravely in danger of loosing his life 3 month ago..their calls ,their prayers..being there for me..... thats brotherhood....My friend Herb of 46 years, always there to assist in anyway possible.....his assistance with Bobby Ahjar....Trying to encourage him to work hard so that he can get better physically and mentally...My good friend Injay always asking about my son's re-hab, Larry,Edgar,Chocho, Arty,Scopetta,Abney, Janet,Pam,Ginger,Denise Marie and all of you from BNO. I thank you. I just hope that next year brings us together again in what I feel is the greatest feeling in the world ... my life this year was so much better having the opportunity to connect and re -connect with those from the years past and with those that I would have never known had it not been for the the Stags reunion.....thanks guys you really are the best....OO -OOO

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 12/31/2003 07:35:53

Gaston, you missed something!
You missed mentioning all the time and effort you have put into keeping everyone in the loop with pictures and post.
You missed mentioning all your efforts on the BNO event.
You missed mentioning all the personal emails that turned this into such a wonderful event.
You and Jim Kavney, through this website have devoted so much of your personal energy that has translated into so much happiness for so many.
Not to mention the 50 Trees and plaque going into the ground at Coral Gables High School, honoring our deceased Brothers of Stags Club.
Gaston Ruiz, the scores are in/////
You get a "A+" in Brotherhood///// and so does your beautiful Bride. Herb

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 12/31/2003 07:55:01

Thanks Herb, It Has to come from the Heart and with me thats special... I'm thankfull for what I have and for what I have been able to accomplish.... Stags gave me that opportunity....Some may not understand what I mean ,but then again what can I say, growing up there was little family life at home due to the hardship we were going thru and Stags at least gave me the security ...... Here we are 30 to 40 Plus years later and I 'm honored to give something back.........

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/01/2004 12:08:25

Your right Herb. We owe alot to Gaston and Jim. Without all of their work this wouldnt have happened.
Thanks to the both of you.
I better not sign this, it might tarnish my nasty reputation.
Happy New Year

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/01/2004 06:41:43

By Janet Eaton

Gracias mi hermano, Gaston!
Thank you my brother, Herb!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/06/2004 10:40:43

By jack slaton(58)

Great thread, Guys and Gals! Here's a way to get a measure of the true value of our Brotherhood: Just imagine if You had NOT gotten that bid to pledge Stag's Club,(and made it!) how disappointingly different your high school experience would have been...How different the rest of your life would have been without the fun, the friendship ,the respect and the admiration of all these wonderful people we love as our Brothers and Sisters...Wow...GOD has blessed us more than we can ever deserve;let's keep trying to pay HIM back by loving HIM and each other, all along the way, just as you all are now.
Brother Mule
(all the Junior Girls kept calling me that;i don't know why, i actually had small ears...)

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/06/2004 11:05:46

Nice message Jack...on the JR Girls comment...maybe it was because your such an "ASS" all kidding aside...STAGS CLUB changed the direction of my life and as I said back in May was one of the most important events in my life. Also, Jack when I met Bill W. it was also a major event as I wouldn't even be writing this if I hadn't met him when I did.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/09/2004 09:18:44

Terry, when I and the other 5 brothers became JG boys in 1968 , they said that they hoped we were nothing like a guy they heard about from the late 50's named Slaton...now I know what they ment........ ( only Kidding )

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/10/2004 01:00:37

Yea...Slaton is like the other pilot's...big watchs, little.....except for Herb who's picture is on the wall at The Blue Goose in Panama

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/17/2004 09:09:42

Brothers lets take the meaning of brotherhood a step further and enjoy another evening together....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/27/2004 07:56:33

I had the opportunity of speaking with members of the Families of Brothers that past away and learn about them and who they were in life , I was totally blown away speaking to them.... Most of them showed interest for what we are trying to accomplish with the plaque and the trees and some didn't want to be bother with. but from my conversation with them they let me know how proud they would have been for what we are trying to do.. ...What some would like to do is to put a face to the deceased name so that we all could see who they were..... I would like to get pictures from these Brothers sent to me at my home address so that at the Time of the plantings I could put togther all of them for the rest of us to see who they were... My Home address is 13200 sw 82 ave. Pinecrest fla 33156. Check your year books in your years and try to find them or if you happend to have something forward it to me and I'll send it to Jim Kavney to post...

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/31/2004 08:21:46

I will be meeting with Harold Cole from Gables High on wednesday and he will be assisting me with the help of some gables students to go thru all the Gables High year books dating as far back as 1950 to copy the pictures of the Stags brothers that have past away...so their is no need from you all in obtaining pictures ......

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/04/2004 06:37:20

Met with Harold Cole today and had the opportunity to go thru some of the year books from 1949 to start with...... I left a list with him and he will have someone search thru the past years.... we found some right away but in the 49 , 50 , 51 years we could not find some.... we need to have you guys put on your thinking caps to make sure we have the right years....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/14/2004 07:26:15

Denise Deberard (Stags Sweetheart 1971) preferred that I didn't post this but I disagreed.
A few days ago I recieved an email from Gaston. In it he said that he had spoken to Denise and that she had read on the website that Bobby Ajhar was having a hard time finding a computer to use in the hospital. Keep in mind that Bobby graduated in 1969, so he didn't know Denise that well.
Denise had a used Dell laptop that she wasn't using and volunteered to let Bobby use it.
I called Denise yesterday to thank her for her generosity. Once on the phone Denise changed her mind on her laptop and decided it would be better for Bob if she just purchased a brand new computer from Dell. Along with the computer she is buying an extended in-house warranty package. That means if there are any problems, then Dell will come to Bobby to repair it.
Denise, you redefine the word generosity.
When I called Bob, his reaction mirrored a child on Christmas Eve.
Bob's Mom was in the room when I called. She was speechless, then she broke in to tears.
Denise, I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
If you ever are in need of anything that I am capable of providing I would be hurt if you didn't call on me.
You are an Angel.
Herb Stebbins

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/14/2004 07:42:48

Denise,I thank you again .In your e-mail to me you said it was just a small gesture on your part. Helping others in time of need is priceless. YOU REALLY ARE AN ANGEL as Herb said.Love you, Gaston

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/14/2004 08:33:37

Denise that was a great gesture, It shows you are beautiful both inside and out. Thanks...John

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/14/2004 01:18:16

By Jim Kavney

When we had the Reunion, I stated "I don't know where we will go with Stags, I just know we will not go back to sleep." I never dreamed we would go to such heights.

Denise, on Valentines Days you made everyone heart feel a little larger, swelling with pride.

Happy Valentine's Day, and THANKS!! !!!

Jim

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/14/2004 07:45:19

By marie pogue 68

Denise, at the reunion my sister Terrie and I were talking about what a wonderful person you are, and your gift to Bobby has proven that you are not just a wonderful person but a true ANGLE like Gaston and Herb said

Happy Valentines Day
Marie

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/15/2004 08:34:36

By Denise DeBerard Roussel

I am overwhelmed by your messages. I could never repay the love & kindness all of you have given me over the years.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/15/2004 08:43:20

Denise I knew your bother from Jr High thru High School and never knew you till the reunion and from the first time I met you I knew you were SPECIAL person...... Like I told Herb back when my son was in need and he was there by my family's side, GOD will have a special place for you one day....Your generosity is overwhelming .. ...

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 03/11/2004 07:55:45

Bob Ajhar is up and running with his computer.
Bob's email address is bpoppyt@aol.com.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/03/2004 08:43:36

Brotherhood, is it something from the past???? is it something that is forgotten??? is it something we think about????? were is the Brotherhood we experienced in August of last year ????????or is it a onetime moment that we had and already we have forgetten all about......read the web site and see how many of us thought it was so great pryor to August and right after, and all is forgotten after that....... I for one have tried to keep it going thru BNO and other ways and believe me I no longer have the urge to keep bothering you all........ it was a great wave we all were ridding , but it seems it finally hit the beach and ran out of strength.....Stags for ever at least in my heart......00-000

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/04/2004 06:34:13

By Jim Kavney

Gaston, not all waves are big ones and some waves don't make it all the way to the beach. But little ones help make the big one that will come rushing again to the shore with all the force we saw last August. We have to be patience and be satisfied with the little waves for the time being. BNO is bigger then a little wave and we all appreciate your efforts and it's something that must be continuted. The Oak Trees is a brilliant idea and a major undertaking, which will be remembered and envied by all. Sometimes the wind is calm and there is hardly any waves at all. This is the nature of things and the way it works, which is OK because some little thing will cause the wind to build and the waves to become strong again and we shall all ride them again all the way to the beach. Your leadership has served us well, my Brother and you know I'm behind you trying to help. We will do great things as Stags, it will take time and not everything we attempt will be successful to all but believe it will be to some. It may never be said but to somebody it will mean a lot.
Brotherhood is not lost, gone or misplaced. It's there just beneath the calm waters and it will raise up again, and again, and again, and fill us all with pride until we all perish from the earth.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/05/2004 11:13:57

Jim, those are words well spoken the times we have enjoyed the past few months have been very satisfying to our souls and there will be more for the spirit we all live by will not allow it to die.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/13/2004 07:54:05

John and Jim thanks for your comments ,,,,, But like I told both of you ,it has been 9 months and I find it hard to understand how the guys can't find 2 or 3 hrs to spend the time together in all these month to get together at least one time ......on a thursday evening....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/15/2004 07:29:30

By David Steger Class of 71

ONCE AGAIN, I AM NOT A STAGS MEMBER, BUT WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT SOMETHING GASTON SAID.

GUYS YOU NEED TO MEET AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. SOMEDAY YOU WILL REGRET THAT YOU DIDNT DO THIS AND THAT YOU LOST A BROTHER.

AS MEN AND WOMEN DONT EVER BE AFRAID TO TELL SOME ONE YOU CARE ABOUT THAT YOU LOVE THEM.

AS A COP I TELL MY WIFE DAILY I LOVE HER AND WILL SEE HER TONIGHT. I NEVER KNOW IF I WILL COME HOME AGAIN.

I ALWAYS DREAMED OF BEING A MEMBER OF STAGS BUT FOR OTHER REASONS IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVITATION TO BNO, I HOPE TO MAKE IT ONE THURSDAY NIGHT, BUT IT REALLY IS FOR THE BROTHERS OF STAGS.

ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE A HARLEY OR OTHER BIKES THAT LIKE TO RIDE.

DAVID

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/19/2004 09:21:36

Its getting together this thursday....for some time to BS......1970's were are you ????????

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 05/04/2004 07:22:34

Getting together to go to belize..... or any time.....00-000

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 05/07/2004 08:20:49

Having a drink with my Buddy Herb at his home this afternoon.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 05/07/2004 09:31:43

GASTONNNNNNNNN GET HERB TO COME DOWN FOR A FEW DAYS...HE FLIES FOR FREE

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 05/07/2004 10:59:19

That is great it can be like a Grotto that we visit whenever we are depressed or seeking the real meaning of life or maybe just to feel wanted.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 05/22/2004 09:48:44

Brotherhood ........Kris Kimel giving Scopetta's son John Paul a helping Hand 30 plus years later ...Good move Kris...

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 06/21/2004 10:52:12

spending the time together in Belize ,Jim ,Don,Terry,Keno,John,Steve and I.....that is Brotherhood .......Thanks guys for every moment we shared together....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 06/21/2004 10:56:40

By Don H. '57

To all-it was really great and I hope we can have more experiences like that. Again, thanks to Jim for putting it all together.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 06/23/2004 07:00:42

It was a real pleasure getting to know the guy's of the late 60's..these guys are men's men and a little on the fearless side. Like myself they think young and act the same way...they say this is best for a long life...that is if you don't get shot...guy's keep that good positive mental attitude......

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 07/03/2004 05:06:58

By Bob Ajhar

Dear Brother,Sweethearts,Sponsors,
I just talked to Herb Stebbins.He is OMAHA,NEBRASKA.He told me to wish everyone a happy 4 of July.
Brother Bob

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 07/03/2004 05:14:35

By Bob Ajhar

I TALKED TO JIM PERPICH.HE ALSO WISHES EVERYONE AHAPPY FORTH OF JULY.
BOB

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 07/03/2004 05:20:12

By Bob Ajhar

BETSI BOND,
HE TOLD ME FOR YOU TO CALL HIM.
BOB

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 07/14/2004 08:48:39

By John Dannelly 1957

WE drove down to Islamorada last week to spend the day with Jim and Helen Kavney. It was a wonderful experience and another example of how the bonding of Stag brothers bridges over to their families. Oci and Helen had not visited since the reunion. Oci throughly enjoyed the day. Michael (12) and Jason (8) were more than impressed with Helen's gift with animals. Jim has a real talent in sharing his knowledge of lizards and snakes with youngsters. Jim's methods and interaction increased their desire to have snakes and lizards. Despite Oci declaring "no more snakes" (30 years ago our sons had snakes and several got out of their cages and were loose in the house), the boys even managed to talk their grandmother into letting them keep some snakes and lizards. Not in the house, with this generation of boys the snakes and lizards will be in the shed.

It wasn't Helen's and Jim's animals that made the day so pleasant. It was the companionship!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 07/14/2004 09:37:13

John , the meaning of Brotherhood was seeing you participate in the memories of those young Brothers that passed away in the past few weeks,,,,, these were young men that were so young when you were in STAGS in the mid 50's... probably not even born yet , but you took the time to HONOR them... I thank you for finding the time ...you are a real Brother....guys most of us really do care ...just spend the time to share the moment.......

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 07/30/2005 06:39:04

to all of you to refresh the meaning and avoid comfrontations read the begining of this thread.........my post and then Terry's....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 09/13/2005 09:21:19

Dear Guys
I just received a note from Billy Cotton that his brother Joes' wife passed away this morning. He is having a very hard time accepting this. I don't know the cause of death and Joe doesn't have an e-mail but his address is on your Stags brothers list. Please send him a card. love to you all, sa

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/17/2007 07:58:02

Terry, BROTHERHOOD is still here, at least the 60's guys , proved that this past weekend......hope to hear from the rest of you 40's 50's and 70's......love you all Gastonnnnnnnnnnn 00-000

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/26/2007 08:39:01

Where are my brothers it's to quiet around we need Gaston,The Commodore,Billy, John D, Capt. Herbie, Bobby,Tim. common anything some contreversy or just a good story. It's been two day of silence. O.K. open the flood gates.
Love you all but I sure miss the Post.

Here is something I send to the Class of 1966
it was great seeing alot of my classmates all the way from elementary.

I want to share this Poem that I have saved for years.
Graduation Friendship
We�re graduating, and we know Our lives will be different and new;

We�re going out into the world, Our goals and dreams to pursue. But one thing will never, ever change, As we go our separate ways; The friends we�ve made in school will be Our friends for the rest of our days.

The special ties and attachments we�ve made, These bonds will never be broken; We�ll continue to feel the closeness,

Though words may not be spoken. So it�s not "goodbye," but rather "farewell;"

I�ll see you again, my friend. Your friendship means a lot to me, And it will never end.

Cheers to the class 1966 Ivan lopez

This also reflects the Brotherhood of Stags.

ONE LOVE ONE
ONE PEACE
ONE HEART

CHEERS, iVAN

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/26/2007 03:20:04

Dear Ivan:
Did we loan you money or something?

>>>just kidding<<<

That was nice to post.
It is also nice for us to know that there are knots that never come untied. Whether they are originally tied to a pier for a boat that does not leave the shore, or for a ship that sails around the world on vast ocean voyages; their strength is unintended but forever binding.

It's the little things that count in our lives, like the couple of years of 'Brotherhood' we spent with people like you that make everything seem o.k.

That's all I can think of for now,
Tim 65' - The Brotherhood of STAGS // ///

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/26/2007 09:09:42

Ivan , I'm sure by now the Brothers are tired of hearing from me, so I will let someone else speak there minds , and start new contreversys.....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/26/2007 09:13:44

Hillary????????? a new theme for the oval office.....what did she say the other day ?????? we need to bring respect to the American people and the White House ????? thats a loaded comment.....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/26/2007 09:16:08

how funny that the hit about Hillary was # 69 on this thread......

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/26/2007 10:02:06

And what does she propose to do with the cigars ?
Well anyway, look for some comments on the 60 thread ! I will post, and challenge all you similarly aged folks to comment ! No, not you Commadore ! I'm talking about the younger roosters!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/29/2007 09:19:14

Jerry, "And what does she propose to do with the cigar?" Well that got my attention!
In life it is permissable to degrade Loveones, family, friends and your animals BUT NEVER, I mean NEVER!! degrade the finest invention of pleasure in the world...THE CIGAR!!!
You can smoke it, smell it, or taste it. Any way you do it it's pure Heaven.
"Cigar 101" for novices...cigars are never smoked in the Bedroom or used for any other reasons in the 'Oval Office". That is gospel!!!
Cigars are ONLY to be enjoyed with friends and to degrade such a work of splender is encouragaing WAR!! LOL
Ivan posted "just a good story" I think this qualifies and comes from "One of our own"
During a commercial airline flight a Navy Pilot was seated next to a young mother with a babe in arms.
When the baby began crying during the descent for landing, the mother began nursing the infant as discreetly as possible.
The pilot pretended not to notice and, upon debarking, he gallantly offered his assistance to help with the various baby-related impedimenta.
When the young mother expressed her gratitude, the pilot responded, "Gosh, that's a good looking baby...and he sure was hungry!"
Somewhat embarrassed, the mother explained that her pediatrician said nursing would help alleviate the pressure in the baby's ears.
The Navy Pilot sadly shook his head, and in true fighter pilot fashion exlaimed, "Damm! And all these years I've been chewing gum.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/29/2007 11:29:36

Herb, no offense but if the pilot was flying the plane how could he have observed so much of the nursing activity - is there really a 'rear-view' mirrow in the cockpit?

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/29/2007 11:38:03

and Herb: have you ever met Richard Bishop (Stags Pres 65??) He flew secret missions all over the world in a U2 - I bet you guys would go on for hours. Have you ever sen the cockpit of the U2 or the newer long range 'spy' planes?

I asked Richard a long time ago how long it took to get to 90,000 feet (as he sometimes was over Cuba and Cuba is only 90 miles away). Seems to me you'd have to fly quite a bit out of the way to get to that altitude -turn back to go over in that direction... at the time, he was not able to answer me.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/29/2007 04:37:44

Tim, I met Richard for the first time when I was in Jr. High School. He was driving a Triumph Tiger Cub motorcycle. I'll never forget it. I had no idea who he was at the time. The next time I saw him was during several football scrimmages at the Coral Gables Youth Center, when he played for Gables.
When I was still in Jr. High School several of the 68 guys were being Rushed for Stags and I saw him again at some of the partys. He was graduating Gables as I was starting.
I never really knew him well, just his reputation. From speaking to a few of the 65-66 guys it seems he was very well liked and respected.
All I know about the U-2 is what I read in the press. I was a civilian pilot so I have a limited amount of knowledge about airplanes of that vintage.
I do know that the pilots who flew it had the highest security clearance that there is. For that reason they can't say much about the plane or its theater of operation.
I've flown with a few guys that were in U-2 squadrons. They won't answer any of my questions about the airplane. I guess they like buying their own beer on layovers.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/29/2007 05:37:08

Tim Tim Tim What part of Capt. Herb did you not understand????During a commercial airline flight a Navy Pilot was seated next to a young mother.

Does that help you with your first questions and yes they do have rear view mirrors in case some guy tries to sneak up on them !$#^$%&$^*&%^* what can we do for Tim it's old age we forgive you.
(all this is only in fun)

I would be glad to provide you with declasified info on the U2 if you so desire. My respected Brother.

always glad to assit....Ivan

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/30/2007 08:51:10

Ivan, not too far from the truth. No rear view mirrors, but the ER B-777 (stretched B-777) has cameras on the tail. It is so hard to determine the geometry of a turn that the cameras assist the pilots in making tight turns to give them proper clearance.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/30/2007 01:39:00

Thanks for the clarification Ivan...I really thought the Navy Pilot was flying the plane and was able to see the nursing activity and it made no sense.

Although this is not be one of the major issues or thoughts in my life, I thought I would ask Herb about how a Pilot really knows (or does not know) what is going on in the cabins while he is (supposedly) flying the plane! (just a joke...ha, ha).

Thanks for the offer Ivan but I need absolutely no info on the U2, I have all of their albums already. Achtung Baby...!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/12/2007 08:26:37

Brother Gus>>> anything on the Sombrero??

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/12/2007 09:01:53

Check your mail box the day after tomorrow....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/15/2007 09:30:54

Hola Gaston, Hermano llego la Gorra, te cuento que esa gorra my padre se la regalo a mi hijo y
el me la presto cuando fui a visitar a Billy.
My padre se la dio un mes antes de su muerte a mi hijo por eso era tan importante para nosostros. Te agradesco de todo corazon. Saludes siempre tu hermano, Ivan

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/15/2007 10:24:28

Yo te quiero con toto mialma y cortazon...
AND
donde esta la bibliotecha y iglesia y escuela?
AND
Las Albondigas!

Brothers: All the Spanish I learned at Gables is shown above. Forgive the spelling... I love Miami!!!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/15/2007 10:35:42

Ivan, since the cap was sentimentally important to you, I am really glad you got it back. Let it be a lesson, don't leave important things in the Bear's cave :>)

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/15/2007 01:33:00

By adams

Jerry, he left the cap in my cave on purpose, so he could return to the Adams Bed & Breakfast. I took it to Miami so I could get rid of him....no.....not going to happen... he's returning in a few weeks.....how do you control such a forceful man from Columbia.....he has too many conecctions, if you know what I mean. I think I might have said to much already.......hope I wake up tomorrow.????

Just kidding Ivan, come anytime. You don't even have to call... just show up... when ever you want to....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/15/2007 06:26:51

Ivan, glad you got it ....sorry for the delay... Las ultimas tres semanas , fueron un poco dificel , para mi y mi familia con los problemas medicos.....llevo 21 dias con el medico ... gracias a dios todo salio bien.... te quiero tu hermano por vida , Gastonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/16/2007 07:34:01

Tim Yro is a spanish name correct i thought you were a latino what happened not so????

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/16/2007 02:12:32

My last name is of Hispanic heritage however many generations ago. The lineage traces back to old Spain more than 300 years.

FYI my Fathers parents (My Grandfather) was Latvian and my Grandmother was from Romania! (I might as well be 1/2 Russian?)...
My Dad was from New Bedford Mass. and my Mom from Jesup Georgia (Go figure, the other half of me is a true American Mutt!).
No, I am not Spanish except in namesake... there was a time right before Castro when my parents (Yero) were the only YERO's in the Miami Directory... now, since the early 60's there are many from Cuba, none of which are related.
I did grow up in Miami/Gables and played a part in the Hispanic culture (none).

The only real Spanish I grew up with beside my fine friends and brothers were spent at the old Miami resturaunt the Hasta Manana (Steak house on douglas rd and coral way).. the best ever...
Hasta' La Vista Baby.

PS... are you Italian or what???

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/16/2007 02:29:51

John: I forgot one important thing about not actually being Spanish...
I can play and sing a very psychedelic version of 'La Bamba' on the guitar. I still don't know all the words but it sounds pretty good anyway!!!

Long live Richie Valens (a Spanish fellow NOT related to Eddie Van Halen.)

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/16/2007 11:29:24

I am 50/50 but all American. Love this country born in Hialeah in 1950 but lived in Cuba for ten years. Left in 1960 to start a new life in America. Speak Spanish and some ingles but not to good man.
Actually I love both heritages

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/17/2007 02:26:58

Tim:

Boy did you open my eyes...in the late 50's early 60. I used to put dozens of quarters in the juke box listening to Richie La Bamba and this was on J street in the middle of the BAD SECTION of Panama...obiviously a bar and it was cocktail hour 8 am to 10am and I was just getting off the midnight shift at Tocumn Airport. Wow...Herb and Ivan can relate to that...well Herb for sure

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/17/2007 05:21:12

Terry, Herb and Ivan were ten years old they can't relate to Tocumen airport and those mulatas you chased night after night.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/17/2007 10:54:16

John...you didnt read the time correctly it was 10am...so you know J & K street...sounds like it with the description of the women....Herb knows the famous Gruta Azule..as that place has always left a mark on him.........My uptown places were The Taberis (with a bar maid "Eurasian who is perhaps the best looking woman ever" on via Espana...and Maxim's across from Panama Hilton

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/19/2007 11:47:28

Tim:

I just about flipped, and that is really difficult for me at my age, when reading about your heritage and noticed that your mother was from Jesup, Georgia. That is where my sister lives, she was mayor, and I was just up there this past week-end.
I know all the older Stags, having married one and friends with all from 1950-1954. I was in Tallet and loved being at Coral Gables.
I now live in Gainesville, Florida, divorced for many years and enjoying life to the fullest.
I just had to write when I saw Jesup, I didn't know anyone ever came from there. I thought once you lived there you had to stay there forever. sa

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/19/2007 01:30:33

It seems your timing is off, or you are filling in... my sister went to Gables 1958-60 (You missed her by a couple)... as far as Jesup... well I would expect you to miss my mom being there... she left at 20... she died at 85 last year!.. ANYWAY, Jesup, Gainseville (GA) Augusta, Columbus and Jefferson is where I spent every Summer with my relatives... and don't forget the ever growing Bogart (They may be up to 100 by now!!! I had tons of cousins (My mom was 1 of 6!)...
Yep, my Mom was a small town Georgia girl - that's where I got my beeming personality and good lucks from!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/19/2007 01:31:28

PS Sylvia... someone has to be fom Jesup... everyone is from somehwre, might as well be there!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/19/2007 01:47:05

Tim: What was your mother's maiden name? My sister who is 74 has lived there since 1947. My summers were spent in Georgia also, mostly Macon, and those were wonderful times. I still have cousins all over, and go up there whenever I have a chance. I have tried to teach some of the younger Stag members how to talk Georgian, especially Gaston and Terry Grant.
I would give them maybe a C+ or B grade and I don't think they have been doing much studying lately. Anyway good to hear from someone who still has red clay in their shoes. sa

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/19/2007 02:03:51

Tim:

Sylvia is a real dish maybe a little on the gumbo side....Sylvia I thank you so much for putting me with the younger set...but with Gastonnnnnnnnn...he hasn't mastered z zzzzinglish yet let alone georigan.or what ever that stuff is...i called the other day and left message you must have been out terrorisying the community

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/19/2007 06:10:00

By johnscopetta

What about the playboy club across from the old continental hotel. The blue grotto is were Errol Flynn hung out in the 40's the bedrooms upstairs had hanging sheets for doors. Many long nights in Panama with my friend Luis Somoza in the seventies.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/20/2007 10:03:10

Terry Grant: I would like to know what, on the Gumbo side means. It doesn't sound good to me! Sorry I missed your call, it was good to hear from you. Five of my six grandchildren play sports(all on different teams) so I was probably at a ball game. The only one not playing ball is here at the college where I work. When are you coming up to good ole Gainesville again? Stop by and get your brother and lets go to dinner. You paying of course. sa

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/20/2007 10:53:41

My Mom's last name was Blasingame... now you know one of my 'security' answers!!!

PS I am positive the gumbo comment was meant to offend >>>
I think gumbo in your case means a variety mix of ingredients... the more important of which is - spices and plenty of 'hot' sauce!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/20/2007 11:27:59

Tim: Thanks for your explanation of "Gumbo". It is probably better than the one Terry will give me, he is in deep trouble. We Georgia girls don't get older, just better, and full of spice is right. Almost to the point that some wonder my mind stability. It's kinda nice being the age I am, you can get away with all sorts of things. Friends just look at you and say, she means well, she is just old. It's lots of fun. I give the students that come into my office a rough time. They never know whether I am being serious, which is seldom, or kidding. I love them all and many come just to have someone to listen to their problems. I know God placed me right where he knew I needed to be. If you are ever up this way, give me a call and I will buy you a cup of coffee. sa

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/20/2007 11:41:30

Tim, if you get a chance to meet Sylvia, don't pass it up. She is as beautiful on the inside as she is on the outside. As an old friend of mine, from the South used to say about beautiful women, "She's as cute as a speckled puppy under a red wagon".

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/20/2007 11:54:16

Herb: Thanks for the kind words, you know I love you. You Guys need to come up again soon and not only to see Joe, but so I can see all of you. One of these days I will make it to Miami again, just once more want to see all the places I enjoyed while growing up there. My daughter and I went several summers ago, but we got so lost, we didn't get to enjoy anything but South Beach. It had been over 50 years since I had been there, and yep! it wasn't the Miami I grew up in. I was scared to death of the traffic. Hope all is going well for you. Keep in touch. sa

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/20/2007 12:36:01

Right on Tim...plus a little mixed up...John didnt realize you were a Panama so much your friend from Managua right relate to el presidente have you been to Managua as well

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/20/2007 12:56:31

Never been to Manaqua - if it is anything like Vietnam in peacetime - I am sure it is a rip roaring place to fish and lay back. I would not go to either one (again) if you paid me !!

I did visit Panama once for a week of jungle training as part of my lrrp training in the Army -a fun filled entire week living in the jungle 'for practice' in surviving; did not see anything else of interest while I was there (it was not exactly a vacation). Regarding the 'surviving'... I'm still here so I guess I did o.k.!

I prefer a place like the Bahamas... where the only war starts with my fiance' when she learns about the money I usually loose at the Atlantis!
I won huge at the old Atlantis (paid for an entire cruise and many more 'parties') - but have lost twice since they built the new one. (Someone has to pay for all that opulence - it looks like it's me!)

FYI I made a "HUGE" error in the post before this one (I will blame it on myself for a having busy, often interrupted day at work wiythout proper time to check before sending)... I left the word "NOT" out of my comment about offending Syl.... I truly thought I said your comment about gumbo was 'NOT' meant to offend... sorry (Where is my memory pill anyway?) - left in Panama I guess...

Herb, I'm sure I'll meet Syl someday... meanwhile, I have seen her HS pictures; that's why I thought about the 'hot sauce' being in gumbo!!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/20/2007 02:03:16

Ms. Atwood is very pretty and she doesn't like or go out with guys like me unless chaperoned (Gables High grad cant spell) Tell you what we can get a pose up and all meet at a dive in your area...i dont drink but my brother(anything) and SA (mostly high price wine) can put a few down

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/20/2007 03:17:51

That visit sounds like it would be a pretty funny outing; a good mix of different personalities usually turns out well - like my relationship with both my former wives and current fiance (Completely opposite!) maybe I'll take that back - duh..
.. of course, if I went: I don't smoke, drink, cuss, gamble, or chase women.. my only vice - I have an over-active imagination (some say.. lying!!)..<< all in hopefully good humor.

In any case, good company and a lot of laughter cures almost anything...

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/21/2007 08:28:03

Sylvia, I was trying to arrange some time in March but I'm afraid that won't work out. Hopefully in April we can put something together. I will let you know when I get my schedule for April. Do you work Monday through Friday? If so when do you get off work? With my schedule, it will probably have to be a week day.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/21/2007 10:59:43

By Panama Joe

Mr. Yero, I see you sure didn't learn or see anything in the jungles of Panama or maybe the jungle didn't want your there " maybe you are not in touch with nature" but if you think Atlantis is paradise. Then we don't need you in Central America. I know NAM and it's no Managua and Mr. Yero you need to be a gentleman next time " Open Mouth insert Foot. Sorry for slashing at you I know your a good guy deep inside but i'm losing my patience with you.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/21/2007 11:59:27

What did I say Mr. 'Panama'? (or whomever you say you are)... I learned in Panama (For America, not Managua or Panama) to be lean, mean, nasty and a trained killer as well as a leader of fine outstanding and brave men... thank God it only lasted for a short time or I might still be that way / mission accomplished.

If you are looking for a battle, I have already fought; look elsewhere.

Perhaps you should also thank your own lucky stars that you were not with me then with your stupid attitude. Thin skin does not survive such an environment and you would have had a horrible (if not deadly) time. Just remember love fades but stupid is forever.

I have no clue what you mean by your comment.. I do not understand your comment, so I am willing to forgive you. Maybe you will forgive me for failing to understand your comment or what I said to spur such a rude comment. If you are tired, perhaps you should take a nap.

Cheer up - it's a great day.. here and probably in Managua and Panama as well!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/21/2007 12:06:14

By Panama Whatever

QUESTION>>>>>>>>>>>Think before you answer>>>>>>>>
Are you all friends with the people that post here? In other words is there a difference between friendship and brotherhood?

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/21/2007 01:03:59

Yes ...There is a difference between friendship and brotherhood; of which I think you are probably neither. However, there is always a way to make friends of an enemy as well as a brother.

I will respect your request for watching what I say. Sometimes I get destracted and cannot check before posting - which I should. For any errors noticed, I will apologize.

Now, what's your excuse for being so anonymous?
If you were a brother or a friend, perhaps you would be more upfront. I don't know of any of my Stags Brothers who are not upfront and proud to be who they are; evidently you don't seem to be one... If you did not like something - say it and don't be such a wuss. I am not so proud as to acknowledge my mistakes - what about you?

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/21/2007 01:46:09

By Carlos

good question. there are are some brothers that I dont consider friends.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/21/2007 06:11:38

Panama whatever ,is exactly who you are...not man enough to put your name on the site .... but thinking you are a toughy..... I'm friends with anyone that deserves that right , Brother , sister and non-Stags.... but you are a piece of Crap.......thats why you are not a friend and much less a Brother.....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/24/2007 09:54:40

By Billy

My boys, my boys. Sorry I have been away for a while.

I really need to address this ASS HOLE, Panama Joe.

Joe Blow , don't come in our house and slam anyone, especially, one of our Brave Brothers that had the balls to fight for you and me . We know what kind of a man he is. He certainly does'nt have to answer to a slim bag like you.
The real question is what kind of an animal lives in a world like you are in...Take your pathetic little life and crawl back into your hole and leave the real world alone.

Who knows, maybe one day I might get a chance to step on you.....................................

Could be in the near future, one never knows....

And for this other idoit, who cares if we are all frinds, at least as Brothers we stick together and we are all friends when one needs help.

Have a nice day

Billy

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/24/2007 11:23:48

By Billy

Hope I didn't offend onyone other that Panama.

If I did I am sorry!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/24/2007 01:04:01

Billy, like Gus told me, "You must be getting old".
Don't use "please" or "sorry" for these message board crashers! Got no business but nose business and they are slime bags dripping on the Internet!
@@ @@@ Jerry

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 02/24/2007 01:18:45

By Billy

The words sorry and offend...were meant for the the wonderful people that read and enjoy this site for what it is..... A great place to have a little fun with old friends and Brothers.

NOT SLIM BAGS

Thank you very much

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/11/2007 05:32:26

By adams

I have been reading and writing a lot of crap lately.. My post were never meant to hurt anyone ...just a little ragging.. having fun...I know for a fact that most of the others Brothers were doing the same....however....I have read some post from Brothers that were upset by what seem to be a small thing...........Please correct me if I'm wrong about my feeling on this....

It seems to me that whats being put on this site is no differant than what we use to do to each other years ago....have we gotten so narrow minded as we get older. Have we lost or are we losing our sense of humor.........Have we become that stick in the MUD that we all swore not to be, when we got older.....I am totally puzzled by the statement that a brother made to me and the rest of us. In general he stated that his pride was hurt, because someone might believe he said something negitive about Terry Grant and it wasn't him.....who cares anyway....Grant deserves something bad said about him...hell...so do I ,but I'm not going to cry about it or set around wanting people to call and beg me to get involved again...Yes, WE are grown men now and alot OLDER, but I don't believe any of us have lost our HEARTS AND LAUGHTER of our child hood days.....especially when it comes to our old and dear friends of STAGS....

My Brothers, at our ages we can't afford to hold grudges or waste time being angry with each other. We must make the most out of each day...If you hurt, we all are sorry you are hurting, but no one can help you if you don't or want talk to us...How can things be resolved if one does not comunicate their feeling and thoughts with others.....Running away and hiding never solved anything....It just makes for a lonely life.....Their is nothing like family and old friends.....What if there is no tomorrow??????????...say it today...what ever???

I say this with all my heart....we miss all our Brothers that have elected to forget us and we want you back....and if not, we will always remember you, with LOVE.

Billy Adams

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/11/2007 08:35:54

Well said Brother Adams...on this same site look at my comments back in 2003 about a little Cuban guy I met in a hotel lobby

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/11/2007 08:45:27

By David Steger 71

BIlly, I agree with you and Terry and hope one day we get together. I would love to hear about your days in STAGS.

Feel free to contact me anytime, I live in Palm Coast,Fla. and you can contact me at 786-218-0016.

Also, I made several atempts to contact someone who lives in Palm Coast, class of the 50's and Kennedy, class of 70 with negative results.

Like others have said before me maybe they do not want to be contacted.

I would like to see more response from the 70's, guys that I hung around with.

Take care for now

David

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/11/2007 08:47:14

thanks , Terry........

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/13/2007 08:30:11

You guys are all guiding lights to what success and living life to the fullest is all about. Whether for your own benefit or others, you are truly men I respect and give thanks that I know and am some part of.

I found you guys again after 30+ years of going thru what life has presented, not always good or bad and mean it when I say I look forward to being a part of whatever 'we' do in any way I am able until I die.

There are a lot of others who may not know we still exist in the way we do and is important to do what we can to let them know. I know Gaston and Herb and Jim and Billy and many others have gone to extra efforts to revitalize our boyhood friendships - I think this is great, a wonderful contribution and will follow us as a good thing for the rest of our lives.

Those who choose not to involve themselves have their own reasons and it is not for us to think everyone has the same deep seeded feelings as we do. For those we attempt that refuse, we can bless anyway for at least being some part of our lives that we all remember as - goodness and Brotherhood.

I will always love the fact I was a Stag for many reasons, most of all, is the obvious gracious attitudes and continuing efforts you guys (and now me as well) seek to reaffirm. We all have different backgrounds, results and life stories - we all share a Brotherhood that should and does not differ. The Brotherhhod of the Royal Order of Stags.

I attended Joe Atwood's funeral as others did. I did not know Joe as the others did but remember him as a kid - I saw the devotion of some of our Stags Brothers which has brought tears to my eyes more than once. I also am tearful when I see all the pictures on this site and see how happiness is - the antics of Jose and Gonzalo and Billy still exist - a lot of the other Brothers I never knew. I also am saddened when I look at those no longer with us who never had a life like us... Larry V, Joe Clasca, Glen Cornielson. I knew these people as a kid, I lived around the block from Glen, Billy Swain and I sponsored Joe and Larry was a big part of everyone in Stags at the time. I am proud to be a part of this group.

No one should do anything to hurt each other but be supportive in any way possible. The kidding is part of the brotherhood but the realization that we are now older men should also be focussed in seriousness. If anyone feels they are hurt by any of this, they have a reason we may not know about and should cease. Most will not feel this way because they know we all try and be clowns for fun.

Finally, my brother Jeff is dying of cancer at this very moment and no one knows how long he will last - he was a baby Stag after me... I think about him every minute and will strive to relive, revitalize and reinstill what we all have to look foward to someday; that is, dealing with the end in a way we can be proud of - and that is knowing the people and friendships we have had, the men who were once boys, that we still love.
This is what you guys mean to me and I will never forget it ...
TDT Stags xx xxx

Tim TDT65

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/13/2007 09:32:38

By David Steger 71

Tim, well said. There is a strong bond among you guys that keeps getting stronger.

My thoughts and prayers are with your brother.

God bless to all.

David

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/13/2007 10:28:02

Tim, that's a keeper my friend. I was talking to one our Brothers this morning. We spoke of some of the same topics you mentioned.
I know so much of this has been mentioned before but after having the chance to get to know so many of the Brothers and Sisters from all the age groups (including their familys), it becomes very apparent...there is a very strong common thread.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/13/2007 10:54:16

By adams

Thank you Mr. Jim Kavney, Mr. Gaston Ruiz and Mr. Herb Stebbins........for all you have done to promote our Brotherhood........

I am truly touched by your deeds and love for Stags .......

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/13/2007 11:48:03

Stags Brothers: I promise not to 'muddle up' this thread but have to say that Herb is a true leader a new found friend and long lost brother. The things he has done and is doing is a pure tribute to the spirit of having a good life, involving himself in things others may do their best to avoid.

I have yet to pick Herb's brain about all the information I know he has from working so diligently to find out about a lot of our Brothers. And also about his time as a past President of Stags and the eventual demise of the Brotherhood. I plan on doing this as we develope a relationship that I am looking very much forward to and know will last forever.

To me, Herb is a true leader as he is an unselfish person. Many think they can lead by being selfish and guarding the path of a venture by being dictorial and nothing more than a pain in the ass. Herb on the other hand shares himself in what he strongly believes in; in a way that motivates others to endure whatever life has presented them.

I know Jim and Gaston have also played a major role in an effort to make the Stags story an ongoing and revitalized part of whomever wants to participate. Hats off to you and the others who have brought this all back to real life after 40+-years.

From me, a Brother who has learned some of life lesson's the hard way as we all have in different ways, I would have been very secure with you walking either behind me or in front of me in combat at any point. You are all welcome in my life at any time and are a major part of my every good thought.

Being who we each have become it is important to maintain who we also were - little kids with a lot to look forward to. We still have what we had back then, some of us rough and some of us clowns - in this regard, I close by saying I really don't care that Herb is sometimes a cross dresser (That's what I heard from Billy anyway) but I suggest a different shade of lipstick - the bright red doesn't look as good as a duller shade might and the high heels are o.k. except the purple ones with the flowers...

LOL Tim TDT65

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/13/2007 07:05:57

Tim, I'am personally saddened to hear about Jeff's condition, I was Jeff's sponsor to his Stags life .....we cherish all of our Brothers at all times ....Stags was my real family in this wonderfull country that we live in ...and thanks to those prior Brothers and Sisters and their love ...it made me a better person.....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/15/2007 08:32:01

Thanks Gaston: I'll tell him.
Tough times don't last forever - tough people do not either. We all have the same fate to look forward to - and should bless each day we can be with those we love and do our part to make life a happy event. You are very good at living in this way (which is not all an easy task) and I respect and admire you for that. (PS Both you and Gonzalo are true gentlemen and I highly value the love I have for the both of you as my Stags Brothers).
Tim TDT65

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/17/2007 05:23:40

By adams

My Brothers.....We will be paying respect to our wonderful departed Brothers this week end....I will read their names at 9:00pm...
Friday the 20th....If any of you would that can't be here would like to observe a moment of silence for our Brothers at that time, please join us......Their names will be read aloud ....In hopes, they will be heard by all....

My thoughts, as I read them, will trace all the wonderful times I have spent with My Brothers of my youth and those of today.....

I thank you.

Billy Adams

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 04/17/2007 06:10:16

By adams

It would be great, if all our phones would ring at 9:00pm Friday night.....NO ANSWERS ...JUST RING THEM OFF THE HOOK...FOR A FEW MINUTES.............and let our Brothers know you are thinking of them.

Thanks Brothers, Sisters and Friends......

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 07/10/2007 06:23:35

Tim, on 6-01-07 you asked why the Class of 68 thought they were so much better....we are not, we are just closer ..... I have been going thru a lot of medical difficulties in the past few months ...I 'am doing OK today and looking forward to better days ......My (1968 BROTHERS} have kept up with me on a daily basis calling me giving me positive support and wishing me well every step of the way.....I want to thank most of all Herb, my life long half of the twin tower that I mentioned before growing up , since 5th grade, the other twin tower Scopetta , My Buddies Arturo(my best friend ever) Art Abney my childhood Buddy and Manny ( who is like family)for their support....thanks guys , Love you dearly, can't thank you enough but after all we are 68 Brothers till they day we die ......Billy Bear you too ,sorry I forgot to mention you..........OO-OOO

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 09/12/2007 07:20:48

Billy, I have to admit that the last pictures Jim put on the site put a tear in my eye. "Pictures of today Four" and "Picture of yesteryear Two".
Well Pal....Friendships do last a lifetime.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 09/13/2007 11:07:31

Rick, Billy, Herb,& All,
I must agree with Herb! What a wonderful spine-tingling rush to look at those pictures!!!!

Love to all of you who feel the same!!

Jerry '65

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 09/14/2007 08:37:35

By Adams

Jerry, your too much!!!!!...Your a sick boy and I love it.

"Put a tear my eye"...That was your mascara running, Herb. I was able to find that shade of lip stick you ask for. I will mail it to you soon.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 09/14/2007 09:01:58

See Billy, that's the problem with being open and honest with you. You go and attack my feminine side. I'm so upset I'm leaving town. You won't have "Sausage Boy" to kick around anymore!

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 09/14/2007 01:24:48

By Bear

Herb

You and Gaston need to get together.....you two have a lot more in common than you think....

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 09/14/2007 04:50:15

Billy, funny you said that Herb and I were together today....,.

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 09/16/2007 10:16:57

By Bear

Gaston

Were you teaching him how to play golf??????

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 09/18/2007 06:07:45

By Gaston Ruiz ( 1968 )

Billy "BEAR" I will teach Herb Golf and He is going to teach me How to FLY......its this not dangerous ,or what?????????

Re: The meaning of Brotherhood

Posted at 01/27/2008 07:14:12