Don, just me but I think it will be a little grid lock mixed with a little grid lock. The only area that I can see any progress in will be in border security and immigration. I don't believe that the partys butting heads will effect the economy much but the Fed, if not accomodating could always present a problem. I do think that Bernanke is a big picture guy and might be opposed to shotting himself in the foot, but you never know.
As far a terror goes in this country, I see steady progress in all areas of transportation. The TSA seems to be doing a good job at most ports and airports. Being involved in trans portation, I can see a few week areas but overall we have come along way since 9/11. Abroad, we have a whole lot of work to do. I don't ever think we will totally put down are guard again.
You know the minimum wage will go up but that's to be expected.
It will be extremely hard for Bush (ego) to deal with Pulaski. If he doesn't find any common ground then it will be assured that a Democrat will reside in the White House after Bush.
On "unionization explosion" you'll not have to worry about that. They imploded a long time ago. Unions today are not the unions of the past. They are big business. Today we eat our young!
On impeachment......I'll leave that to a lawyer.

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Posted at 11/09/2006 07:14:03

One more thing that I can't figure out. Why didn't Bush or any of his advisors see this freight train coming? Was it pure arrogance or stupidity? And last but not least, who permitted Donald Rumsfeld to go on national TV and allow him to chastise the press as he did a week ago?
Boy that was condesension at its best.

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Posted at 11/09/2006 07:46:27

It's Nancy Pelosi. Sorry it must be the Grey Goose.

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Posted at 11/09/2006 11:05:24

By John Dannelly 1957

Herb, I am glad you clarified that name. I was wondering who the hell you were talking about.

I think the issue that is the number 1 issue, in terms of support or lack of support for the President, is the war. Most of the country, including those that strongly supported the President's position on this war, now feel that a war of this nature can never be won. It may be a problem that is unsolvable. And not just in that part of the world but anywhere in the world.

President Bush will probably change his position and start working more aggressively on solutions that will result in withdrawing our troops.

The question in my mind is not if the President is going to change his position on this war but why. Is the President changing his position because the election results confirmed how little support a continuing war effort has? Or is it because he realizes he only has two years to change the public's opinion or he will leave office and be one of the least loved Presidents in modern times?

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Posted at 11/10/2006 10:19:41

By Larry Silver

The basis for the war was to prove to his father that he was worthy, he now, is following his fathers advice. Arrogance of power. They think the American public is stupid, can't take the truth that they thought they knew. They were wrong and now the American Public will have many years of damage to clean up. Heavy handed leadership may work in a dictatorship but, can only last so long in a democracy. One way to stay in power longer is to be at war. Commander in chief. On the economy it is hard to tell if our economy is strong for the big corporations because of the war machine and the oil. The American Public has been living on the illusion of wealth with housing increase but, the young as Herb said have been eaten with extremely high overhead and much less chance of ownership. Power needs to be balanced and that is why we have 3 branches of government. The best part of the recent check in power in my opinion is the check on Surpreme Court nominees. My hope is that our country will be a strong and fair leader of the world. Cooperation goes farther in a world filled with terrorist than heavy handed go it alone attitude.

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Posted at 11/11/2006 07:37:08

My election precint was a firehouse run by a guy in bib overralls. The guy who won as commissioner when asked a question at a public forum used a que card to say" I dont know the answer, but if I win I'll do my best to find out". From there it was all uphill...Foley who used to be part of our district couldn't repeat because he was in "rehab". Thank God Kathrine Harris lost. I voted for Charlie Crist, but really wanted Tom Gallagher, as he said he wanted to push for Canadian drugs but I think thats a Fed issue. Not many of you know this but there is a contested run off between Jennings and Buchanan...seems as 18,000 ballots didint even have that race posted.

I voted for Bush in his first term...didnt vote for President in 2nd. The guy is an idiot who is a puppet to the special interests. Yes, I would like to see Pelosi issue subpoeanes as to the activities of Halliburton during the war and the relationship to Cheany.

I think things will happen with Jim Baker back as a clean up guy. Thats not the Jim Baker who was the idiot with Tammy Fay(not even on my worst drunken night would I go with her...Herb would)...My view on Iraq is that it's a no win situationand will be a civil war for years...get out by this time next year.....borders why build a 700 mile fence for a 2000 mile border.

my vote for 2008...McCain and Rudy G

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Posted at 11/12/2006 01:58:08

By David

Don, I agree with you on Bush. He now has to work to get the men and womeb back home. I believe this is a no win situation. I voted for Bush the first and even second time.

Terry, I also like Mcain and Rudy. I also like to see Condo on a ticket. There are several women of both parties who I believe to be very good. The question is will voters vote for them and if America is ready for a woman. I think we are.

What does everyone else think?

Remeber Albright, she was a tough cookie.

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Posted at 11/12/2006 05:15:18

Terry, I admit it. I've always been a sucker for vertically challenged women with pancake makeup.

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Posted at 11/12/2006 06:35:43

I would like to say one thing and one thing only...Power to the people, I que se muera Fidel. Cuba is looking like a good retirement more and more each day.

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Posted at 11/13/2006 01:18:42

By Janet Eaton

I seem to tilt farther left than most who have the courage to post on this site. Bush was the catalyst that provided the results you saw on November 7th. This country is a country whose majority is smart and fair minded. A war that wasn't working and instead was killing our young women and men in increasingly large numbers is NOT what the electorate wished for and they came out in record numbers to express themselves. Rumsfeld should have gone a long time ago and bush's strong statement one week before the election that rumsfeld would stay until the last day of his presidency was the nail that closed the coffin. Further, Katrina didn't help, having cheney as your vice president didn't help plus a whole slew of things too cumbersome to list. I think George Bush, Jr. will go down in history as one of the worst presidents this country has ever had. I look forward to a change, and hopefully, people working together to compromise and reach results that we deserve.

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Posted at 11/13/2006 03:41:36

Know one asked me but I'm posting anyway!

I am a devoted Republican and have had as many problems with the Bushmeister as anyone. What I stake my belief in is the party platform, not the leader ofthe party.

I still believe the Republican platform conforms more to my own way of thinking - regarding how to handle to numerous problems we face. Facing major problems is always the case, whether it be Korea, VietNam, Liberty City or Iraq - and I am a firm believer in the Republican solutions to these issues.

Too many times during my lifetime has the Democrat leaders given away much too much to those that are undeserving, raised taxes for uncontrollable bureaucratic benefits, and blown more opportunity to solve problems by debating rather than responding.

I think the Kennedy's and the Clinton's are bozzo's... good politicians with no backbone and afraid to make a move. I don't much care for the Bush man either but I know he is doing more than the traitor John Carry would ever dream of (Other than offer irritating rhetoric about crap no one cares about). I no longer buy Heinz Ketchup.

I will vote Republican, not because of the movies and commercials, not because of the negativism brought out by the opposite side and not because of GW... I am a Republican because I believe in the foundation of what a Republican believes in - nothing more, nothing less.

This election will give rise to all the hippie culture, the professor crews, the people who live in less than reality but the way 'they' think it should be. Democrats are more socialist than Free Enterprise oriented, can bitch about how things "could be", and have nothing of substance that cures the problem... I think George (Washington that is) is probably rolling over again in his grave, along side Abe Linclon...)

I would hope the Democrats won't do too much damage for the next few years - so we can once again put it all together again - the sooner the better. I really hope they run Hillary and some other dummy - if that is going to be the Democrat ticket it will make it much easier for us all, we will all be a lot safer and a lot better off because they will loose big time. The vast majority of America is Republican - we will show that again.

I just hope there is not another 9-11... I would hate to see what the response would be with all the Democrat influence.

Have the Democrats said when they plan on negotiating with Ben Laden for changing his religion - or perhaps getting him to donate to the rebuiding of the WTC? (Probably pretty soon I would think)..

Good Luck and, Good night - God Bless America.

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Posted at 11/13/2006 04:06:20

Herbster....that was one of the truly great lines..........may I use it

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Posted at 11/13/2006 06:03:43

But of course you can my friend. What is mine, is yours! L-M-A-O
Please remind me, the next time we talk, to tell you about when I met her.

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Posted at 11/13/2006 08:15:49

By Gaston Ruiz (1968)

Brothers and Sisters , would'nt it be nice if we all could have things happen the way we wish for to make things right?????? Republicans , Democrats or Independents..... we all wish and hope for the right turn out..... but this is life we can wish and hope and at the end its all the same ...Political " Bull Shit" nobody knows the final result....glad we have the right to express ourselves on the many subjects .... but at the end , its all the same , promises , B.S and Lies to get elected...... Bush Bashing , Clinton mistakes, Carter Giving away , Nicaragua, Iran, removing Somoza and the Shah.....Ike with Viet Nam and Cuba, so how do we find a way to Agree???? Kennedy the savior of the CUBAN people and believe me we loved the man ... let us all down..... are the Republicans good or Bad . ... Or the Democracts ??????? We are all people of this beautifull Country that allows all the right to FREEDOM ....who is right or who is wrong?????? No matter wich way ...IT IS STILL THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD......

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Posted at 11/13/2006 11:59:00

Janet, great statement you are as good as it gets. Tim, enjoyed reading your post it has a great deal of thought and emotion behind it as well guts. Some of us appreciate this country for the simple reason that when things aren't going well with our leadership we can make a change. I am sure if we really try we can find someone else to elect other than the Clinton's and the Bushes', is time for a real change. Maybe Trump will run or Clint Eastwood would be good, Arnold cold be the next Ronald Ragen if we change the law. He is a Republiocrat and swings both ways, yet he is not afraid to make a change and does not like girly men.

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Posted at 11/14/2006 11:24:37

Although I doubt it highly, Arnold VP with Rudy Pres would be awesome, a pretty strong ticket - one has a mouth and the other can back-it-up with is stature... and, of course there would be the 'Kennedy' link with Maria for all the Republicrats...

Rudy is a hard ass no games allowed type administrator - maybe a problem for those who like the Clinton type. Maybe he can quote Truman a lot - making his 'the buck stops here' disposition easier to swallow for the whimpier crowd.

Yes, what a great country this is... and we will remain so. Ideas (and acting upon them) are the strength of America.

Taking sides to issues is what we are all about; discussing the in's and out's, good's and bad's, pluses and minuses... A free society built on hard and honest work - from anyone who has the gumption, guts and drive to make things work out better.

As long as we are not offensive to one another (which has seemed to be more of an option lately), we can all learn from each other and make our own choices. This is better than not having any choice of who rules the nation
... i.e. pre war Iraq...

If there is a will, there is a way. The USA has the will; With our open structure (where everyone can air their view no matter how irritating we think they may be - or with any accent they may have) enhances our ability to eventually arrive at the right solutions.

I'll be back...

(stealing a line from The Arnold)

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Posted at 11/15/2006 00:11:00

Well spoken Tim, A president with an accent would certainly be something new. The rest of the world likes it or not has to admire our system and the results it brings. Is not always great for everyone but yet good solutions rarely are if is to good for one side is usually not good for the other therefore don't expect euphoria to last long after a victory, as with any fair shake it has to benefit both sides. There is strength in the word of the people and a government for the people and by the people is the word of our creator and the bassis for our democracy.

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Posted at 11/15/2006 07:35:56

By Manny Garcia 68

Here's my 2cs. A very wise old man told me a long time ago;" if you work for a paycheck and vote republican, you're a fool".

Republicans and democrats, both have to get more to the center, can't drive down I-95 and stay on the Left or Right lane, you have to go to the right and/or left as trafic dictates.

La La Palusa is the one that scares the heck out of me!!!!

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Posted at 11/16/2006 08:14:13

My Father told me, if you work for a paycheck and are Democrat, you will pay more taxes for all those who don't work or do not belong for whatever reason, and will watch the world fall apart as the conversation does not fit the situation; Tolerance is a Democrat.

If you are a Republican and work for a paycheck, you will flourish or fail by your own efforts which is what free enterprise and opportunity is all about - you will then be able to give to those in need on your own - you also will be a safer American as Republicans will protect you while their talking; Decisive is Republican.

In most cases, niether is totally wrong or right -but both are your choice - which is why we call our society free. The vast majority of America is Republican - good luck.

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Posted at 11/16/2006 08:30:59

To my brother Manny:
I lived in the Gables before I-95 was built and can say it can be avoided by taking other routes. I found I-95 became only 1 lane most of the time, so keeping top the right, left, or in the middle was the same most of the time!

FYI - I-95 was built as part of a grand national project to provide evacuation for populated areas Nationwide in case of... well.. a nuclear attack. It was originally conceived and funded during Eisenhour administration (a Republican). Although we may still be at some point regarding expressways these days, I would say if there was a Democrat in office during this conception, we would still be studying the application of a super highway system, would have spent billions in the studies (paid by you and me), and still be driving on 2 lane highways everywhere.
That's the difference!

I love my Brothers (Manny - you are one of those), regardless of the political, religious, ethnic or other differences - do not ever take offense at your brother's opinion and bless the fact that you can do so without being tarred and feathered! This is why we must stay free and protect this freedom at any cost.

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Posted at 11/19/2006 09:28:27

Tim, I'm not speaking for Manny but believe he is talking more along the lines of the ideology of the party. You could debate which party does more for the working man and never find agreement. I'm a Democrat simply because if gone unchecked the Republicans would distroy whats left of my career. Forign ownership and cabatage would put 300 hour pilots in command of jet aircraft making 50 grand a year. That might be a slight exaggeration but you catch my drift.
All that said, it was "Chapaquitic Ed" that submitted the Kennedy-Cannon Bill in 1978.
There's only one thing wrong with the idea of tar and feathering Garcia........... That is....I didn't think of it.

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Posted at 11/19/2006 07:17:44

By Gaston Ruiz (1968)

Herb, me too.. ...especially, since he wanted to get rid of your geese.

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Posted at 11/20/2006 08:41:42

Herb:
I know nothing about the pilot delemna where a pilot would end up makinhg $50,000 instead of the typical salary - which I think is obviously warranted.

I also think the Airlines problem is not a Republican or Democrat problem and pilots would be part of the problem. I think the problem is a business problem and politicians are not the best business people (That is why they are politicians).

I've always been one to on the side of those who get the job done - less so on the side of all the 'coaches' (The coach does not score the touchdown). I would be on the side of the pilots in this regard.

I also worked for the Bell System for 25 years. A company that went through the biggest breakup and reorganization in the history of business, during my tenure. The purpose of the brakup was to better permit competition - which is said to drive down prices and offer more choices to the market.

I would say there are many more choices due to the breakup (Many don't work or are inferior products compared to the 'old' bell products)- but the prices of everything are up.

One of the Bell organizations that was broken up was Bell Labs (who I worked with for 7 years - 'breaking it up'). Why would anyone want to breakup perhaps the greatest R&D organizatiomn in the world? Bell Labs invented the transistor, the stereo, the entire communications systems used in the USA and the world, and identified the 'big bang'...

The answer is elusive but was driven by greed of the competitors, bottom-line thoughts of politicians (without consideration of the 'workers') etc. - and 'business'.

People in my business reacted diufferently - some suffered, some lourished - this will always be the case in a re-organization.

WorldCom and Enron went under as well - not due to politicians but due to criminal behavior. How would you like to be a pilot for them?

This is all related - business is business and whether you are a Democrat or Republican is not all that important. Views will be views and nearly everything turns out differently than originally planned. Intentions are the key. What exactly is the reason a pilot should make $50,000 instead of what they make? If you are a pilot - you will have your answer - if you are a business man or politician, you will have another.

What does that have to do with the intent of the big picture?

I really doubt the problem would be solved buy a Republican or Democrat - but rather, an astute business person. Hopefully, no-criminal.

All in all, you make what you deserve in the circumstances - hopefully lot's!!!

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Posted at 11/20/2006 10:24:58

Tim, here is the problem. Is the business man or investor for that part looking at the big picture? Is the goal to maintain a long term viable business plan or is it to make a huge amount of money in the short term at the expense of the fall out. (as it applies to airlines) If the later, then peripheral items such as safty and passenger comfort will be ignored. (I'm not being sarcastic).
Once the globalization of the Airline industry is complete, you will have a very inexperienced pilot group competing for a hand full of jobs that could hardly be viewed as a career. Safety will not be first on the list UNTIL you kill 300 people due to incompetence.
I can see it happening today. Example, prior to 9/11, I was flying from Miami to Chicago one morning. I had a Captain from Gulfstream Airlines(United's feeder airline at the time) ask me if he could ride in the cocpit because we were full in the back. After takeoff, he started asking questions about pilot pay and work rules at United. I answered all his questions and countered with a few of my own. My first was, what his pay was as a Captain with Gulfstream? He laughed and said that he is not payed anything to fly Captain. He pays Gulfstream to wear 4 stripes and set in the left seat. He makes his money by working in a bar in Chicago.
When you have an employee group that will work for nothing (and management knows this) then thats the compensation levels you can expect.
The taveling public today, on average is not willing to pay a premium for experience.
Where I'm going with this is..IMHO...if the elections would have turned out differently, you would have seen the ownership laws as they pertain to US Airlines changed. Bush has already said that he is in favor of foreign entities owning more then 50% of trunk (legacy) carriers. With ownership comes control.
Starting pay for a UAL pilot today is 25 grand a year. I shutter to think what it will be under foreign ownership, when contracted out to the lowest bidder.
It kind of makes me happy that I'm in the twilight of my carreer.

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Posted at 11/22/2006 08:41:21

By Dom H.

Are you left or right?

> >

> >One day a florist goes to a barber for a haircut. After the cut he asked

> >about his bill and the barber replies: "I'm sorry, I cannot accept money

> >from you; I'm doing community service this week." The florist is pleased

> >and leaves the shop.

> >

> >Next morning when the barber goes to open his shop there is a thank you

> >card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door.

> >

> >Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill

> >the barber again replies: "I'm sorry, I cannot accept money from you;

> >I'm doing community service this week.." The cop is happy and leaves the

> >shop.

> >

> >Next morning when the barber goes to open up there is a thank you card

> >and a dozen donuts waiting for him at his door.

> >

> >Later a Republican comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his

> >bill the barber again replies: "I'm sorry, I cannot accept money from

> >you; I'm doing community service this week." The Republican is very

> >happy and leaves the shop.

> >

> >Next morning when the barber goes to open, there is a thank you card and

> >a dozen different books such as "How to Improve Your Business" and

> >"Becoming More Successful."

> >

> >Then a Democrat comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill

> >the barber again replies: "I'm sorry, I cannot accept money from you;

> >I'm doing community service this week." The Democrat is very happy and

> >leaves the shop.

> >

> >The next morning when the barber goes to open up, there are a dozen

> >Democrats lined up waiting for a free haircut.

> >

> >And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between

> >left and right.

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Posted at 11/22/2006 11:02:01

Herb:
Your plight happens all the time and I have been in the Management ranks that does just what you are afraid of - that is - if we can get it cheaper, we will sacrifice the experience and do so...

Decisions like this are hard but are not made for 'your' benefit and 'they' do not care about 'you' (if you are employed there).

Business decisions are made for the all mighty dollar (profit), and those who invest in such. Most Companies are now run by people who are not what you and I would like to think are 'managers of people' but managers of the bottom-line... Financial backgrounds (bean counters) run businesses, not people persons.

So, the 'bottom-line' is business does not care that your experienced, that safety is an issue (pilots will be qualified in some way... if they are alive, that means they did not have a deadly crash so everything will be o.k.)...
In your mind,it will be o.k. until something does happen. In theirs, the odds are good that something bad won't happen.

What would happen is they would let you go because of your attitude - not your experience.
That sucks doesn't it?

The reward is worth the risk - it happens in every business in the world. The cheapest labor is the key to higher profits because payrll and benefits arethe biggest expenses usually.
Neither you or I can do anything but bitch about it.

except...

Kings and Queens there are - and pions are the rest of us - if you don't like it - be a King of something and live the way you think and not the way others do. Some who would be Kings succeed by being better to their employees than they are to the profitability of the business (that is, being 'nice' to their employees), most don't survive in this mentality.

I am on the fence on this one - I'd want the most money (profit) if it were mine - but I'd have a hard time with replacing my experienced help. Unfortunately, this decision is made all the time - hence: downsizing!

I was in my 25th year when we were 'downsized'... downsizing is replacing higher paid help with younger cheaper help that does the same thing.
That's the way it is. Be the King and you won't have this problem - if you are anything else you can be replaced at any time....

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Posted at 11/22/2006 11:22:46

Don H.
It would be nice to think we would all be somewhere in the middle of your story.

I think what I'd do is accept the haircut and mail the shop owner a $20 for 'doing my community service this week'. Better than a card or roses.

I'd also refer a lot of friends just to see what they would do - just for fun.

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Posted at 11/25/2006 00:45:23

I feel naive about the airline situation but when you see the massive airports being built around the country and the emerging business thriving in those airports you can't help but wonder if maybe the model is wrong. Maybe some of the subsidies needed to maintain top service and experience aboard the aircraft should come from the people who benefit most. The airport authorities the corporations that have frequent business travelers and depend strongly on the industry. Deregulation in the airlines killed the quality of the service and I would argue to my death the fact that it has saved any money for the business traveler.
With the more efficient aircraft and the higher capacity payloads the cost of traveling would probably be about the same today even if some protection for airlines and their workers was left in place.
Is surely not fair to force and established carrier with a long history of success to compete with a start up carrier that does not have any skeletons to deal with such as unions and pension plan payments.
The reason most of us feel safe in an airplane is because we believe the government regulators FAA are insuring our safety and I can assure you there is no substitute for experience and training.

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Posted at 11/25/2006 07:37:49

John, if the models wrong, then that's what the traveling public wants.
There will always be the Carl Icons and Frank Lorenzo's that will decide what's best for us.(grin)
What used to be a business, that was a business different then others is now just a business.
The Airlines that took good advantage of Deregulation, for the most part prospered till 9/11. The ones that didn't..Pan Am,Eastern and Braniff failed do to poor management decisions.
What was at one time an elite mode of transpertation has now turned into a cattle car.
The traveling public gets what it wants.
I had to laugh yesterday when I went back in the Cabin to check something out. When coming back through First Class I saw a women and a man with their shoes off and their feet up on the bulkhead. The woman was openly breast feeding her little girl. The man touched me, to get my attention and ask me to get her something to drink. I told him I would have the F/A take care of that. What I felt like saying was..."it looks like the baby girls doing just fine by herself". Boy...it's a different world today.

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Posted at 11/25/2006 07:55:50

Herb:

Your last message harked back memories for this old duffer.....when I used to fly Pan American/Panagra and because I was an employee I would sit first class. Then after dinner (steak & lobster thermidor) with plently of booze the purser would lower the bed (like in a train)and what is now used for carry on baggage) and I would climb up and wake up in BA.

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Posted at 11/25/2006 10:21:56

By Manny Garcia 68

Here's a subject that ties right in with the airline business, and our way of life in general; and that subject is ENERGEY. I would like to hear some thoughts from you ponderers out there to see in which direction the new democratic controlled congress is going to go with this.

Prior to mid term election, the republicans were coming up on a decision on a new sourse of energy that would revolutionize our way of life. They were looking into the use of Mongolian Yak manure as a sourse of energy. Although very expensive to farm, due to the fact that you have to harvest this precious stuff before it hits the grown, and as you all may or may not know Yaks are very difficult to approach; (never approach a Yak from the left side)so right time right side is very important when harvesting.

Please let me know your thoughts, because I am seriously considering investing on a Yak farm in Nothern Mongolia, where due to the angle of the sun during the summer months, the tundra moss produces the high test stuff.

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Posted at 11/25/2006 10:42:38

By Ivan Lopez

My Dear Bothers is all about GREED, I live with request on a daily basis from the airlines Corporate GENIUS's that want to shortcut safety and customer service for the bottom dollar. I can't go into details, but I lived both sides of the fence (I still love my industry to this day) and these PENDEJOS are destroying what the Terrence the Commodore of the worlds and Capt. Herb's and I build. The GENIUS's forgot all about our human beigns that build this industry just to make a BUCK. GREED SUCKS

FOOD FOR THOUGHT R.I.P.
EASTERN, NATIONAL, WESTERN, TWA, NORTHEAST (YELLOW BIRD), MY ALMA MATTER PAN AMERICAN WORLD AIRWAYS, BRANIFF, HUGHES AIRWEST, PSA, and soon
more to come. And the many International Carriers have disappeared too.

Amen, as Forest Gump said "and that all I have to say about that"

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Posted at 11/25/2006 11:43:01

By Larry Silver

Herbs got it right, it is what the public wants and even if you fly first class you get low class passengers that don't have a clue about consideration for others. Go into a movie theatre today and a few ruin it for all. In the good old days we would punch them out. Most advertising today is based upon price reduction not quality. If you don't get what you pay for then why pay much. The death toll for flights is low so the public does not focus on the risk vs. quality control. The terrorist threat on the transportation system has only caused passengers delays without promoting the concept that a quality airline will be safer. I rarely fly or go to movies because I can't stand animals that fart in public and think it is just fine.

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Posted at 11/27/2006 02:04:45

I'm with Larry on tis one.

I don't see why you still could not punch someone out in the movie if they are bothering you...
(maybe it's because they may have a gun in their shoe?)!

The last actual "movie" I went to was "Toy Story" when it first came out - with my son who was younger then - It just so happens it is his birthday is today, he is 23! (A pretty long time ago)...

I prefer getting a nice DVD, turning on my big screen and surround sound and watching a movie in peace (with plenty of home made popcorn at $1 a bag and breaks to the bathroom - while the movie is on pause.)

I just can't see myself in a movie with all the dregs who I'd like to punchout - as Larry says - I would get in trouble because I am old school.

Now shut up, and watch the movie!

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Posted at 11/27/2006 03:06:11

Larry: PS Farting in public is not that intrusive, just ask Mark Leopold.

I recall a silent but deadly attack in the CG Gym on a very hot day, with a lot of us in the stands (Can't remember why)...
I think it really was green.
(A lot of people died that day. It could have been someone else but I really think it was Mark that caused their demise.)
Farting in public has always been better on the giving end rather than the receiving end.

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Posted at 11/27/2006 04:30:30

By Bob Injaychock

With all of these great thoughts and discussion I came across the following web site that might be helpful to all of us as we are able to discuss and debate the elections and our elected officials.
This is a great way to say thanks to those guys and girls who are really putting their lives on the line each day for us and our freedom and continue to enable us to debate these topics and still remain brothers and sisters reguardless of our political views. It sends a card directly to our troops during these up coming holidays.

www.letssaythanks.com

It will take less than 30 seconds and they ask for nothing in return but giving someone we don't know and will never meet that is serving our country to say THANKS!!

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Posted at 11/28/2006 07:21:26

Great idea - I'm on it!
Having been 'overseas' during my stint in Nam - I know how cool a card from no where would come across.

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Posted at 12/08/2006 07:22:38

Ivan:

Thank you for your kind statements about my contributions to aviation. While in South and Central America I'm afraid I contributed much more to Hortensia's and the Chemise as well as Gruta Azule than to the advancement of aviation.

I can't speak for Herbie (yea)

Terry

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Posted at 12/11/2006 10:36:43

Terry, you're right and Ivan (as always) is very kind. Remember the slogan....."What happens in South America, stays in South America"
Ohhhhhhh, if it were only true.
I should-a taken more pictures.....LOL

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Posted at 01/09/2007 10:47:05

A good read can be found at www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/4429
The article was written by Garrison Keillor.

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Posted at 01/09/2007 11:02:32

That IS a good read Herb ! Hello, Please!...41 to 43...come home please !!! NOW !!!

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Posted at 01/10/2007 11:06:29

By Timmy Yero

From the "article" you referred to: (Which I think is a little Amendment rights problem that I would immediately correct when I become President - 1st Amendment would add: "with the exception of published articles of treason":

Quote:
"If you can't trust a Methodist with absolute power to arrest people and not have to say why, then whom can you trust?"

I am glad to report to you Brothers that I am Methodist. Went to CG First Methodist my whole life. PS None of you are not under arrest ... yet! but I'll have to check with Jimmy Searle to see what he says as well!

I am going to look for a better article you can really sink your teeth into...will post later.

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Posted at 02/09/2007 07:50:09

Dear Abby:

My husband is a liar and a cheat. He has cheated on me from the beginning and when I confront him, he denies everything. What's worse, everyone
knows that he cheats on me. It is so humiliating.

Since he lost his job five years ago, he hasn't even looked for a new one. All he does all day is smoke cigars, cruise around and bullshit with his buddies while I have to work to pay the bills. Since our daughter went away to college he doesn't even pretend to like me (and hints that I may be a lesbian). What should I do?

Signed: Clueless

Dear Clueless:

For Pete�s sake woman, grow up and dump him. You don't need him anymore. You're a United States Senator from New York ... Act like one.

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Posted at 03/25/2007 09:45:44

By Don H.

Aren't the democrats doing a great job? Civility and respect in Congress, moving the nation forward, supporting the troops.What was some other their other agenda items? It doesn't matter, same so, same so.

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Posted at 10/20/2008 12:23:03

By Carlos Villalta

I think what this country needs is a "GIANT ALARM CLOCK".

Hey,is that socialism knocking on your front door?

The way I see it ,NOBAMA NO PROBLEM.

Now back to watching todays movie "PLANET OF THE APES".

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Posted at 10/20/2008 01:23:58

By Billy

Carlos

How about the 7 BILLION DOLLAR bail-out. What do you call that????????????? SOCIALISM.

NO MCAIN, NO PROBLEM........Where do you draw the line...

I think your listening to the mouth from North Florida..What's his name, Martinas ....The one that referred to CUBA (socialism).....

Who's great idea was it anyway to bail out Wall Street and any other damn big business that wants a free hand out ..and...the Republicans are always talking about "entitlements"...Give me a break....their lining up as we speak (PROBALLY PLANNING THEIR VACATIONS). Try the auto industry . They were given until 2020 to come up with a fuel efficient car....they said it can't be done in such a short time frame....sure is funny that all the majors have one (1) or more FUEL EFFICIENT CARS on the market now..What did it take 2-3 months. Who's sleeping with whom. The "arrogant, spoiled brat" G W Bush has given away AMERICA and has ruined the Republican Party...We need a one party or NO PARTY SYSTEM, but as Bush said at his White House party and I quote " How are all my rich friends doing tonight"?....and...then he got a standing ovation.....same old Republican crap.....I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I used to be a straight line Republican....Shame...Shame.

Look what you started Carlos.....I was having a nice day until............you showed up.

Happy day Brother

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Posted at 10/20/2008 02:44:21

Billy: I admire your comments but the problem is I think you totally misread Carlos's statement... (not to mention that I think you should be the replacement of Kady or whatever her name is on CBS - it would be quite refreshing to listen to such propaganda) - oh, some (not me) already do!

Why not relax and go back to the golf thread (PLEASE) - you're much more entertaining on that one - I think. This site was not meant for political opinions and it could get off track for sharing the Brotherhood of Stags, many who may have differing opinions...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I would prefer to see opinions on what we are having for dinner at the Doozie or how to keep score than a stupid disussion on yo Bama or mi Mac! It's a non-winning discussion.

Tim TDT65

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Posted at 10/20/2008 03:58:59

A thread entitled MID-TERM ELECTIONS has gotta be political and gaseous !!! As we say in Florida and Tennessee, "Vote Early, And Vote Often " !

Love Brothers, Jerry '65

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Posted at 10/21/2008 05:27:16

By BILLY

Tiny Tim, I think this is just the right thread to be on to discuss our views on politics.....You are starting to sound like the media or Herb....Please tell me how to interpret what I just read from Carlos ......

I just spent approx 2 hours listening to the debate and then the media comes in to explain what the Presidential Candidates said or meant .....They all need to be slapped.

I guess a few of you are just a lot smarter than us "middle class" fools. It looks like only business owners know what is best for American and only they know whats best for us, at least according to the Republican Party.........I'll just wait for the two hundred(200 VOLUMES)of RECAP On WHAT THEY MEANT OR SAID.......OUR POLITAL SYSTEM IS SO SCREWED UP.

Just one "Middle Class" voter opinion. We all have one and a vote, so please use it.

"I APPROVED THIS MESSAGE"

Have a good day Brothers

Are we in peril?

Posted at 10/22/2008 08:52:14

By Pablo Acosta

I don�t want to get into a big back and forth political discussion, I don�t have the time really, but for what is worth, here is the question I pose. Are we in peril?

The development of groups like the ones that exist in Cuba and Venezuela, as well as in Germany long ago, have always been at the forefront of most repressive regimes, in spite of their politically correct names, this groups are usually at the forefront of intimidating any type of opposition to the government they represent.
That is the case in their initial phase, but once in power they are emboldened by the backing of the ominous government behind them, intimidation quickly morphs into repression and since these groups are �civilians� their excesses are not directly attributed to the government, who happily hides behind them, knowing that their status gives them plausible deniability, as they govern with their �thugs�.
I am often look at as though I am from Mars, when I tell friends that our freedoms may be in danger if the left is able to succeed, they view me as an alarmist, telling me that American's freedoms are guarantee by our constitution, that our institutions are strong, and that what happens in other places throughout the world could never happen here.
While I understand that sentiment, since all living American generations today have only known liberty and prosperity throughout their entire lives, it is not uncommon to have this false sense of security about the rights and environment that we have grown in and enjoyed. However if politicians are able to put in place judges that will impose their will upon the people with total disregard for the constitution, and by so doing become willing accomplice of the politicians, shielding them from being responsible of the laws created from the bench; if our nation is left vulnerable, due to unrealistic assessments of the dangers that we face; if elections are able to be manipulated by �Community Organizers� much like we are already seeing today; if our borders are allowed to be violated openly; if the people�s money is mishandled and our financial institutions raped and force to carry bad loans, as they were forced to do through social engineering; if opposition leaders, CEOs and conservative voices are subjected to Kangaroo court investigations, accusations and condemnations, dragging them to testify and defend themselves in front of Senate hearings and or compromised judges, only to be defamed, destroyed and bankrupt by the left�s version of the Salem trials; if our second amendment�s right as well as others are revoked, as the result of appointments to the bench, (it took a 5 to 4 decision a couple of months ago to turn back the Washington D.C. gun ban); if private ownership of �improperly used� properties is challenged for the �better good�, and class envy continues to be cultivated by a group of gloom and doom peddlers in control of all branches of government, legislative, executive, judicial, and let�s not forget the media. Can we really be so certain that our future is not in peril?

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Posted at 10/22/2008 11:20:13

By BILLY

I see you are a man of letters Mr. Acosta. Well said. I could not agree with you more.

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Posted at 10/22/2008 11:20:33

By BILLY

I see you are a man of letters Mr. Acosta. Well said. I could not agree with you more.

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Posted at 10/22/2008 02:06:00

I agree with what Pablo wrote (summary: beware of the false sense of security the left advertises and projects / remember 9-11?)... I do not agree with Billy much at all when it comes to politics...I wish both candidates the very best in whatever the future may hold for either of them, and us...

We do not and will NOT negotiate with terrorist... example: Carter tried that, remember?...

GO RAYS!!!!

Tim TDT65

Are we in peril?

Posted at 10/22/2008 03:42:54

By Pablo Acosta

Thanks guys, and another great American tradition, which we all hope to maintain, is our ability to agree to disagree and still be friends, in our case- brothers.

Below are some quotes from a time of greater clarity:

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson

The impoverishment of the rich does not enrich the poor.
-Abraham Lincoln

Hypocrisy can afford to be magnificent in its promises; for never intending to go beyond promises; it costs nothing.
-Edmund Burke

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill

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Posted at 10/22/2008 03:46:02

Pablo, very well put IMO. As citizens (as a whole) we are very vulnerable to the repercussions of what will happen after this election.
Things won't change overnight, and for that reason gradual changes are much more deceptive and more tolerable then the "overnight approach".
We as a society are now in a weakened state, for obvious reasons. We're thirsty for a leader who has the vision to deliver us from this dilemma, not only here but abroad.
We as a nation need a strong Leader more now then ever. I'm afraid we won't get it, irregardless of who wins this election. Both would take different paths without accomplishing an overall sulution.
Speaking from a selfish standpoint (and I admit it) McCain will hang my profession(for lack of a better word) out to dry and Obama, other then friendly to labor will potentially take much more.
Pablo, your friends say you are an "alarmist" today but don't be surprised if you are considered a prophet in 10 years....maybe less.
One emotion that I feel so deep in my heart is fear. As much as I try and blow smoke up my ass, I just can't change my overall perspective of this whole situation we are in.
The only thing I can compare it with is something I felt back when I was attending South Miami Jr. High School. Though not as immediate (and potentially terminal) as the Cuban Missile Crisis might have been, I feel the same hopelessness that I felt that day when I walk down to the railroad tracks "The Tracks" and sat there and watched the trains filled with Soldiers heading south to Key West. I'll never forget the look on their faces.
I guess it all falls back to that old saying "It's not the event but how you perceive it".
I hope my perceptions are wrong.

Carlos, my wife has "Parental Controls" on all are TV's so I wasn't able to watch Planet of the Apes. I think Ron Jeremy had a cameo appearance in the movie. Tell me...did it have a sweet ending?

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Posted at 10/22/2008 07:41:14

By Old Friend

It is so depressing to see this happen Paublo and Herbie. You both show great passion. Has our nation failed us or have we failed our nation. This might be a little of both. We are crippled as a government without a rudder to carry us back to where we need to be as a nation. I love my country but im afraid my country doesnt love me.
I know that they need me. Never give up and never forget we are our country not the politicians that run it.

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Posted at 10/22/2008 07:55:53

By JERONIMO

COME OUT OF TEPEE....HAD NOT LOOKED IN SMOKE BOX LONG TIME...SEE WRITING FROM PABLO...ALL JERONIMO CAN SAY...YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE BUFFALO SOUP BROTHER...

I TALK TO MANNY...HE TELL JERONIMO WHAT HE REMEMBER AS TEENAGER IN OLD COUNTRY....OF A VERY ARTICULATE...INTELLIGENT...PERSUASIVE...AND ELOQUENT YOUNG ORATOR...WHO WOULD WOO LARGE CROWDS WITH HIS PROMISES OF CHANGE...REFORM..AND REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH...NEEDLESS TO SAY..WE ALL NOW KNOW...THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BIGGER FAILURE IN THE WESTERN WORLD...AS THAT ARTICULATE...INTELLIGENT...PERSUASIVE...AND ELOQUENT..YOUNG ORATOR....
(BULL SHITTER)..INFLICTED ON CUBA..HE RUINED ONE OF THE MOST PROGRESSIVE...COUNTRIES IN THE AMERICAN CONTINENT....YES!!! THAT IS CORRECT!!! AMERICAN CONTINENT...SO JERONIMO SAY...IF YOU THINK THAT CAN NOT HAPPEN HERE...IN U S OF A...THINK AGAIN!!!!

MANNY SAY TO ME...THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE TO GO...THIS BEST COUNTRY IN WORLD...SO PUT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT...I GO BACK TO TEPEE...MAKE PLANS..TO GO TO CANADA...IN 13 DAYS...BAD NUMBER!!!!....

I GO BACK INTO TEPEE...SMOKE PEACE PIPE...AND PRAY GOD HELP US...PLAY WITH SQUAW TOO!!!!

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Posted at 10/22/2008 11:36:09

By jack lamb

Obviously someone has not been to Canada in a while since the word "Socialism" is part of the day to day life style. Make sure you know just how green the grass is on the other side before you decide to put it in your pipe or your pipe into it. Plus the taxes you will be paying may just run you back across the border.

Just another view from the Rockies so those of you in Florida remember the political advice for this year. "VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN">

jACK

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Posted at 10/23/2008 07:11:18

Jack, I travel frequently to Canada. I have a close friend who lives in Calgary Alberta.
Two weeks ago it was my turn to buy and he wanted to go to a fish joint. We both ordered Fish and Chips. The order came with two small pieces of Cod, fries and cold slaw. We both had ice tea to drink. With a tip the total was $45 US. After that we went back to his home to smoke a cigar. I picked up two Montecristo Cigars (Cuban). Price was $38 US per cigar. The total for the night without any adult beverages was $121 US.
Most of that $121US was taxes.
As a point of reference I am stocking up on Cigars before the election. I feel like the Hunt Brothers and Silver.

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Posted at 10/23/2008 08:37:13

I am glad to be among such forward looking and articulate brothers...hats off to you who truly do understand the differences in the presidential candidates and the party platforms they represent... the candidates are the front men for the platform and that is all; too bad it comes down to a personality contest for some...

When I become President I will change the length of time a President and a Senator can serve. It will be 1 term of 5 years for President and 2 terms of 4 years for a senator limit... if you can't get it done in 5 years as President you need to be fired as President anyway! (Senators take longer to get stuff done because they usually don't live in DC and are too busy learning where the DC hotspots are in town)..

I liked Herb's comments too... God help us if cigars go up that much in the US right? we may have to revert to cheaper chaws chewing...pass the spitoon. Herb: it takes an average of 3 months to get an appointment with a Doctor in Canada for any illness due to socialized medicine... don't get sick there, there are plenty of sick Canadiens (that would be easily treated in the US) walking around because of it.

Tim TDT65

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Posted at 10/23/2008 09:13:38

By JERONIMO

COME OUT OF TEPEE...LOOK IN SMOKE BOX...SEE THE DALLY LAMDA IMPART BIG WISDOM FROM HIGH...ON MOUNTAIN....MAYBE I GO TO COLORADO...GO ANY WHERE IF "HE WHO HAS LONG THUMBS" GETS ELECTED...

"FLY BOY" SPEND $38 ON CIGARS...SAVE $165...WATER SYSTEM IN TEPEE...HAVE BIG FLOOD..
IS THIS GRET COUNTRY,OR WHAT?

GO BACK IN TEPEE...TRY FIGURE OUT...WHAT HECK IS GOING ON!!!!AFTER SMOKE PEACE PIPE.

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Posted at 10/23/2008 09:36:51

Jeronimo, I will be the first one to admit it....I do have a serious problem with my priorities, but DAM that was a good cigar!!!

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Posted at 10/23/2008 09:47:03

By Billy

Herb Stebbins, out for the evening and not have a drink.....Who or whom do you think your "BULL SHITTING".....?????

Good to hear you Indian Boy......and ....who or whom do you think your "BULLING SHITTING...???? You haven't played with squaw in long time, from what I hear....and....hatchet throwing doesn't count.

Don't mean to start anything........well maybe a little, candy boys.

SURE WILL BE GLAD WHEN THIS DAMN ELECTION IS OVER...........So we can get off this subject...it's depressing..

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Posted at 10/23/2008 10:03:44

Straddling this fence is so uncomfortable.
It was ice tea.
Manhattan Ice Tea.
Now why don't you get off this thread and go chase after some Bees or Bats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See you Thugs later...and that means you too Jeronimo!!!

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Posted at 10/23/2008 11:50:19

Maybe a bee farm in PSL is in the making for replacing lost funds during the financial crisis?.. good idea (I hear raw honey gets $5++ a quart at least and bats draw about $25 each during the Halloween season). Recovery is on the way sooner than imagined!!!

"Billy's Bees and Bats" (wholesale only) ... good sounding new business name (or for a bowling team)!

Tim TDT65

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Posted at 10/23/2008 12:04:26

In keeping with my idea of "keeping things light :>)}" I would suggest you re-listen to the Beatles song "Taxman" ! On a more serious note: That was and is England, and Canada is patterned after that , somewhat. England is a "Police State". You can't even get YOUR OWN money out of there ! There are differences in the party platforms, I am sure . The "talking heads" are making me sick; candidates, media, etc. The end result is Government Wins !

A true patriot needs to be ready to defend his country, even against its own GOVERNMENT ! Defend, not attack, there is a difference !!

Jerry '65

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Posted at 10/23/2008 04:06:11

Jerry: You should have been a 'paperback writer' -it's all just 'wooly bully' anyway...when it's all over there will be much anticipted and much more enjoyable 'sounds of silence' Amen

Tim TDT65

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Posted at 10/23/2008 07:04:50

By Gaston Ruiz ( 1968 )

you guys should take a few minutes and read the postings we all did in 2004 on the thread on presidential debates .......:) :)- :( :(:(

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Posted at 10/24/2008 07:53:34

Gaston: They found 140 boxes of voting cards with a few hangin' chads last week in east ojus and wanted Gore to be the President and cancle the whole election this year... - discovered after the election in 2000 but too late ?

I think elections should be secretive and you should not be allowed to discuss them in private or public - what do you think? This will REALLY be so nice when it is over (for some) don't you think?..

Tim

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Posted at 10/25/2008 04:08:07

Gaston, I took your advice and read the 2004 thread ! Folks' convictions don't change much however their strength of passion does after the election is over, it seems. I also will be glad when its decided ! Everyone's mood will be lighter I will hope !

Jerry '65

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Posted at 10/25/2008 05:23:23

By Gaston Ruiz ( 1968 )

Jerry, can't wait till its all over and done...which ever way it goes.....

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Posted at 10/25/2008 06:55:39

By Carlos Villalta

'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' Ronald Reagan.

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Posted at 10/25/2008 07:57:32

Brother Carlos, I agree 110% !

Jerry '65

2008 Elections

Posted at 10/26/2008 02:51:17

By Pablo Acosta

Jerry, your subject of taxes got me thinking about the �The Callus Revolution�.
One of the idiosyncrasies of the Cuban culture is to use humor when faced with serious situations, while at the same time not detracting from the message it conveys. Our cultural propensity for humor, gave way to a new name for the revolution which made its way into the Cuban vernacular (La Revolucion del Callo), Castro�s revolution became known as The Callus Revolution, this name helped describe the phenomenon that allowed previously loyal followers of the regime to become enlighten dissidents overnight, once they too were affected by the repression, in other words once their callus had been stepped on.
Why is this pertinent you ask? It is pertinent because of the d�j� vu effect that I feel when I hear Obama peddle his class warfare rhetoric, and talk about a tax plan that will supposedly target earners of $250,000 a year or more. The lack of outrage from the populace, the eerie passiveness with which a large segment of our population hears this proposal with approval, apathy or satisfaction, reminds me of times past and so I ask. By what right should the government take it upon itself to punish the most productive segments of society? Who gives any politician the right to determine who is rich, or who has too much money? What regards are being given to the efforts that yielded to such wealth? Today the amount is $250,000; tomorrow it will be $200,000; the day after $100,000; and already there is talk about our 401K accounts, a lot sooner than later, our entire society will have a sore callus of their own.
It is precisely during times of turmoil and discontent that free societies need to be the most vigilant, for it is then that they are most susceptible to the siren�s songs of a charlatans. With so many politicians attacking our capitalist society today, and falsely attributing the current economic crises to the failure of the free market, Americans need to reflect on what was it that made us the greatest nation on Earth, and what exactly is the type of change we want, the wise words of my grandmother come to mind, when she use to warn me at times, �Be Careful Not To Throw Out The Baby With The Bath Water� she said, let�s hope that on November 4th, Americans heed her words as well.

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Posted at 10/27/2008 08:01:01

Pablo - you are so right... no one should ever want the government to limit nor punish productivity, nor attempt to place it's wishes or run any part of a free enterprise business system... that's what is called ... communism.

I am sure I would be quite pissed at the notion that some 'party' was taxing me heavier because I did better than those who stand in line for hand-outs (from people like me)...

Some may disagree with your statement that we are being apathetic and rolling over to let the liberal side of our government do whatever they like... anyone who does make $250,000 + stands for free enterprise and 'may the best man (or woman) win" and wants the war to be fought somewhere other than their backyard is the majority ... Most middle class does not make anywhere near $250,000 per year... these are and will always be the most negatively effected by ny liberal policy (The minority will flourish).

Unfortunately, the personality contest and emotion is what more influencial people go bye, rather than what is evident and factual... they will also pay the full price (as we also will), should they persist. Hope not.

Tim TDT65

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Posted at 10/27/2008 06:17:52

By Don H.

It has come to pass. The figure is now $200,000.

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Posted at 10/28/2008 07:56:27

Oh good Don - that makes me feel SO much better than before! (not)!

Tim TDT65

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Posted at 10/28/2008 10:30:44

It is actually a lot worst than that, for those who may be inclined to believe the malarkey about not raising taxes on 95% of Americans, you may want to read the article below, by parsing words, Senator Obama justifies his claim that he won't actively raise taxes on 95 percent of working Americans, but by passively allowing post 2000 tax breaks to expire, he will essentially raise taxes to 100% of Americans.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/senator_obamas_four_tax_increa.html

Read it and weep.

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Posted at 10/28/2008 11:16:52

I saw one of O.B.'s last speeches... he actually said he was not going to increase any taxes except for those making 250K/year ... by 'rolling back to the Clinton years tax tables and tax deductions, laws etc.'... he then said ' the rich were rich then and they will still be rich under 'my' policy..' lot's of luck with that one!

What policy is his?... nada...
Tim TDT65

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Posted at 10/28/2008 03:34:29

By David Steger

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read
"Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I
laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the
coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him
that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He
stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to
redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless
guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to th ank the
server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless
guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I
realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn,
but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn
even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in
concept than in practical application.

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Posted at 10/28/2008 07:08:44

This just in, Biden lowered it to $150K.
I may just have found a new clairvoyance gig.

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Posted at 10/28/2008 11:10:43

Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $8,400 30K - taxed $4,500
50K - taxed $14,000 50K - taxed $12,500
75K - taxed $23,250 75K - taxed $18,750

Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $16,800 60K - taxed $9,000
75K - taxed $21,000 75K - taxed $18,750
125K - taxed $38,750 125K - taxed $31,250

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Posted at 10/29/2008 08:18:02

Where does one apply for the redistribution of wealth? (should Bama win)... Please (someone, anyone!) post the address and where I get an application form...(The only address I have is one to Washington DC and 1 to Atlanta which is the IRS)..

Thanks, Tim TDT65

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/29/2008 08:32:29

TimY, Just send 1/2 of everything you make to me and we'll call it even ! The address is on the Brothers list !

Jerry '65

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/29/2008 08:33:41

By poor us

A homeless man on his regular corner in downtown , had a new sign yesterday that said....Glad to help you in re-distributing your wealth "open 24-7" for business...

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/29/2008 10:37:18

I should've known everyone wants a piece! (Jerry: by the time I posted a stamp, you're half would be close to nada... I'll give you the 25c (quarter) when I see you soon!)... all I am asking for is a fare share of the redistribution of wealth (I figure maybe $35,000-40,000 a year for me would do just fine).

This could be all out war... the homeless guys could become the Bill Gates of the future...(no more cheap wine may be a good thing?)...

Think I'll donate/give my house away (couldn't sell it these days anyway) and live under a bridge... could be better off! (and why bust my butt working for the welfare roles anyway!)... the least Bama could do (if he wins) is maybe name a street after me for all the taxes I already paid (and for the time I served in the Army in Nam)!

Write your Congressman (or woman) about this, I'd really appreciate any handout and certainly do not want to be left out of the 'money for nothing, sex for free' - The 'USA' may have to change it's name to 'MTV' - Hopefully not.

Tim TDT65

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/29/2008 10:55:52

By Don H.

And just think, 45% +/- of working individuals don't pay icome taxes. If I understand it correctly under Barry's plan those folks would receive a check from the government ( which is really us). Wonder if we can pick who we give our money to.How much do pole dancers make? Is this a great country or what, or will be if he wins?

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/29/2008 12:07:57

Don, I hope I can be of some help here, at least on the topic of Pole Dancers. Because this is a public site which is viewed by outsiders, let me just say there is a Brother who lives in Port St. Lucie who is an aficionado on all matters relating to this topic. If he doesn't have the answer, then he has a close Doctor friend that would be very willing to help.
I hope this helps.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/29/2008 12:34:48

I and others can attest to what Herb said but when inquiring via the PSL guru it may not be the best gage of 'average costs of pole dancers'. It is not how much they make, tis how much they are given (by those who can and even sometimes by those who can not afford it!)...From my own personal experience, this depends on the quantity and quality of the drink services (quantity mainly)!

Can anyone really picture Don on a pole in 8" high heels anyway?

Tim TDT65

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/30/2008 10:01:13

By Billy

Politics always takes a nasty turn some where, but I am surprised by the finger pointing in the direction of a dedicated servant of the masses of the Brotherhood. I find myself put into a precarious situation.....I know about the subject of pole dancing, but I was lead into the dark by a Witch Doctor and the Miami Mafia(Gaston, John & Manny).....Seems to me there were some other strange men with me...it's a shame that I can't remember their names right now. Perhaps, I might later.........It was Herb Stebbins and Tim Yero, ......yes there were more, but they didn't make these "dirty" accusations about the "PSL GURO" so their names shall remain free of smut.

To make sure we keep in tune with the reason this thread was started ....PLEASE VOTE.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/30/2008 11:23:08

Change is coming???

!!!!!!!! The rich will continue to be the rich. Exxon just broke its own record for quarterly profits $14 billion. Then John D. jumped out of his grave, he ants his company back.

The poor will have a leader that will give them hope. Maybe a little money.

The working middle class will have better jobs, I don�t think so, but sure I hope so.

The white-collar wall street gang and their derivative derived bonuses will have to survive on smaller bonuses and their $150 G�s base salary. This is good!!!!

If you want to make money now is the time to do it, find a business that caters to the new flow of the M1, or people that earn less than $40,000 per year. They are easy to sell to they need everything. Or find a good government job, they will need hundreds of workers to administer the programs that will be in place over the next two years.

Be happy, the focus of the government appears to be in the right direction a little protectionism will help our country retain some better job�s and protect the little industry we have not yet exported. Socialism has been good for China and Europe.

So vote for whomever you like, it won�t make that much difference, there is not much government can do for us anyway. As Ronald Reagen once said if you are waiting for government to do something for you you are going to be waiting a long long time.

Lots of love brothers.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/30/2008 12:05:57

Dearest PSL Guru of Pole dancers... I voted last week, have an absentee ballot I am filling out and sending in later today and will be at the 'poles' next Tuesday to vote again - I am sure no one will notice me... so much for dancin'!

Tim TDT65

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 10/30/2008 04:09:05

Janey and I voted yesterday ! Our son encouraged us to vote early and often ! Its a wonder how smart Dad got when he got older ! Anyways, our real votes have been cast. Any subsequent votes will be topping on the cake ! MAY THE BEST MAN VOTE ! ('cause you know the others will )

Jerry '65

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/03/2008 11:59:45

By Carlos Villalta

"GOD BLESS AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL".

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/03/2008 06:56:38

Jack, you make it sound so benign, and yet I ask again, by what right should the government take it upon itself to punish the most productive segments of society?
Who gives any politician the right to determine who is rich, or who has too much money?
What regards are being given to the individual efforts that yielded the wealth enjoyed by those who earned it?
Plus why would anyone in their right mind want to give more responsibilities to the same government that has so ineptly miss-handled Social Security, Medicaid, Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac?
Perhaps I am a bit slow, but I don�t get it.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/04/2008 09:15:53

Pablo, I must admit...you impress me. I admire your passion.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/04/2008 10:05:43

By jack lamb

Pablo

You lost me somewhere. Which post are you referring to? Was it here on Elections or on the Doozie thread? Old age may be setting in for me or I may be overwhelmed and ready for this process to be over. ENCOURAGE ALL TO GO VOTE IF THEY HAVE NOT YET TAKEN THIS GREAT AMERICAN POLITICAL RIGHT TO DO SO!!

jACK

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/04/2008 10:52:39

By Gaston Ruiz ( 1968 )

Jack, I think Pablo is talking about John Scopetta aka Jackie or Jack......

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/04/2008 02:15:29

Me too Jack, I am sure John and not you is who Pablo addresses... I am with Jerry - vote well and vote often...

God Save the Queen! and bring on the spreading of the wealth (soon) - I am SO READY for my handout!

Tim TDT65

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/04/2008 02:50:27

Sorry Jack, you are still sane, I meant John Scopetta.

2008 Elections - A parting shot In retrospect

Posted at 11/07/2008 09:31:39

The reality is that McCain was a terrible candidate and although a lot more honorable than the shyster from Chicago, at the end of the day, neither he nor Obama had a clue as to what to do about the economy. Oh! Romney, Oh! Romney, where have you gone?

I believe that it was during the second debate, while watching it at a friend's home, that McCain surprised the country with a "great idea", he proposed to buy all bad mortgages with yet another tiny 300 billion dollar dip into the treasury chest, I remember putting my hands over my head and saying to all present, "with that statement he just lost the election" most did not agree, but how could conservatives who have long had trepidations about McCain go along with a socialist program like that one, especially after he later admitted to have copied it from Hillary (no less), I knew that such a program did not set well with me, and that it would not set well with fiscally responsible conservatives. Therefore on Election Day, I followed McCain�s mother advise of pinching my nose as I voted for him and casted my vote for Sarah. In spite of what the liberal pundits would have us believe, the only silver lining of the entire campaign was Sarah Palin, yet they never let her loose, it was obvious that Sara was in it for the win, while McCain just wanted us to get along.

Which brings us to where we are today, we have lost a battle, but I don't believe that it was lost last night, we have been working on this defeat since the moment that Republicans became more concern about reaching across the aisle and being liked by the Main Extreme Left Media, than to adhering to the conservative values of their constituency. Let's not forget that McCain was the leader of that pack, his own campaign finance legislature that Obama laughed at, helped to put the final nail on his coffin. But once again there is a silver lining, we can all now breath a sigh of relief by knowing that we should have seen the last presidential bids from McCain and from Hillary, thus allowing all of us to thank them for our ulcers and move on with our lives.

Let us not forget that we are not the gloom and doom crowd and although we may have lost this battle, the war is far from over. If history has taught us anything again and again, is that the disease of Socialism and Liberalism does not work, I don't care if the ones administering are crooks, or brilliant men and women more pure than Mother Teresa, Socialism destroys individual freedoms, work ethic, productivity, initiatives, self reliance, standard of living, wealth, and it does this to rich and poor alike, so it is the destiny of hard working men and women with strong conservative values, to ultimately come along behind them to clean up the mess, as it is also their destiny to be vilified while they make the hard decisions that will ultimately need to be made to exterminate the disease and its roots into society.

After the Nixon years when Jimmy Carter enjoyed the benefit of both houses as well, the conservative movement reconstituted itself and it reigned until it began to look like and behave like the same party it dethroned. Santayana said "Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to relive them." Republicans should remember these words, if we learned anything from this election cycle, is that when Republicans allow themselves to be duped into "getting along" with far left radicals that are not interested in getting along, but who are only interested in buying time while in a position of weakness instead, they will always pay the price for doing so, the Main Extreme Left Media will gladly use them as useful idiots at their pleasure and spit them like rubbish on due time as they did with McCain, on this cycle the "Republicans" that lost were almost in their entirety the RINO (Republicans In Name Only), the conservatives retained their seats, (hopefully) lesson learned.

To those of you who are now walking around feeling in the doldrums, know that we will live to fight another day, it is our philosophy that made America the greatest nation in the world, it is their philosophy that has bankrupt nations throughout the world, they may be able to �Fool some of the people some of the time�� but when the most pragmatic individuals who may have been convince to vote for the blank check �Change� this time around, become better informed as to what that change entails, and as the failures of the left become more evident, as they surely will, America will once again be able to right the ship, and steer itself away from the pestilence of Socialism, thus leaving it in the garbage pail of history, where it should have been left all along.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/08/2008 09:13:42

By Don H.

Amen bro.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/13/2008 12:12:03

By John Dannelly, 1957

Some comments on "What determines who Americans vote for".

Will any of us live long enough to witness almost all voters voting for their candidate or proposal because they researched their options and voted for the individual or proposal they think is best for their country, state or local government?

I pray that day will come but the 11/04/08 elections were not very encouraging.

Far too many votes were cast based on gender, race, religion, etc. (I voted for her because she is a woman, I voted for him or against him because he is black, Cuban-American, insert almost anything).

And, far too few votes were cast because "my candidate was the best person for the position".

Regarding the proposed State of Florida constitutional amendments...
The results suggest that a significant percentage of those voting did not understand some of the proposals. A--holes. Of course, there is also the possibility they understood, they just didn't agree with my position. In that case, I must be the a--hole.

Re: What Americans Should Vote For

Posted at 11/14/2008 03:36:27

John Dannelly.
I feel your pain, Thomas Sowell has a series of articles called �When Facts Don�t Matter�, all of which I recommend.
All of us as Americans regardless of our political persuasion should be cautious of any political figure that bursts into the scene by seeking to segment us by gender, race, religion, national origin or economic status.
I am a conservative on most issues, and therefore have my own opinion as to what spectrum of the political landscape is the one most likely to promote class warfare; but I would equally repudiate any candidate that would actively engage on such an exercise, regardless of his or her political party.
We are all Americans either by birth or by choice, therefore we should support candidates that see us all as un-hyphenated Americans, unethical politicians promote the various groups idea in order to better pander to them, the average uninformed voter takes the bate and that is how we end up with the level of government incompetence that we often get.
I find it offensive when politicians suggest that minorities need to have the scale tipped in their favor in order to succeed in our society, politicians that promote these type of policies may do so for a variety of reasons, some may truly want to help, others I suspect do so in order to skew reelections their way, thus having nothing to do with true minority concerns.
However regardless of the nature of their intentions, these acts are rooted in elitism and bigotry, they are unaware bigots who believe that these minorities are not as good as they are and therefore incapable of succeeding on their on, they are engaging the bigotry of lower expectations, while they genuinely believe they are somehow superior than their �benefactors�.
The whole concept of �minority� is a divisive concept in it and by itself, it creates this sense of us versus them, which should have no place in a free mobile society like ours. I am not an anarchist, government does have its place, which is to foment the proper environment under which free men and women can flourish and compete on an even playing field, but that is it, that is where its involvement should end.
To use a sports euphemism, government should be the grounds keeper, security and referee, the free men and women of our society are the players, their race and gender are irrelevant as long as they are allowed to succeed or fail according to their ability to play, the guardians of the arena, should never try to alter the outcome of the game.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/14/2008 04:19:09

Dear Pablo I admire your position and agree with many of the points you are making, the idea is not to punish those that are producing in this country, is to punish those that abuse the system that has allowed them to earn vast wealth at the expense of cheating the free enterprise system and we are now blowing the taxpayers money bailing them out.

We need to invest in the middle class of this country not in the upper crust and create meaningful high paying jobs for those that are prepared to fill them. The difference between the US and other countries such as Japan, Korea and Most of the Europeans countries is that they protect their industry and their exports while restricting their imports. I am not an expert but I will give you an example I am familiar with.

When Toyota first imported Lexus in to the US, they priced the 400 sedan at $35,000 dollars, when i went saw the car at the auto show in Miami Beach I was overwhelmed by the luxury of the vehicle. I asked the Japanese representatives there how they could make such a fine sedan for that price? He informed me that their cost on that car FOB in the US was $40,000 dollars and that they planed to loose money for as long as eight years to capture market share. I said how can you afford to do that and he said well is simple the government pays us to develop the car and we do not have to carry retirement benefits for our workers we pass those over to the government. I was intrigued by this and I said to him you know what they are calling your car at the dealerships? The Seiko, because it looks like a Rolex works like a Rolex but is not a Rolex. Yours looks like a Mercedes but is not a Mercedes. He looked at me and replied yes, but look at how many Seiko's we sell compared to Rolex.

Obama has just won this election endorsing that the Bush the trickle down effect does not work and we need to get the money in the hands of those that will spend it. Ironically the congress approves a $700 Billion bail out and they put Henry Paulson who happens to be worth $900 million and was chairman of Goldman prior to taking office the the treasury. Additionally has a 160 foot yacht parked in DC. Harbor and he changes strategies and pumps $300 billion in capital in to the fucking banks that created the problem in the first place. What happened to trickle up effect???? give the money to the mortgage holders and have them buy a new house at the current market value that is trickle up!!!!

I will be happy to sit down with you over a couple of drinks and a good cigar because I admire you and can appreciate your Ideas but John McCain should have beaten Bush in 2000 unfortunately he did not win. This is Obama's time and we should all get out there and support him and the new Clinton clubhouse.

Lot's of love brother or comrades.... Jack, John, Jackie

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/14/2008 06:36:16

By ex indian

give it up election is over...

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/14/2008 07:26:05

Fuc off A hole is Ex native American.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/14/2008 07:34:46

By ex indian

Hey , cubie back off.....what do you know....chinola.....mr. know it all....

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/14/2008 07:48:56

Apparently, the idiots have awakened ! Go out and play in traffic !!

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/14/2008 08:08:19

By JERONIMO

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Re: Elections

Posted at 11/16/2008 12:49:20

Dear Jack, no one is more distressed about the bailouts than I am, in a capitalist society companies need to be allowed to go bankrupt and or reorganized; it makes them leaner and more competitive for the future, thus allowing the jobs and the industry to survive, this will cause some union contracts and other debtors to sacrifice along with the investors of those companies, but it is a cleansing that is necessary, a reality check of sorts. As the saying goes, no pain no gain, this idea of a nanny state that provides a safety net for even the most reckless segments of society, is one that we must resist and not fall prey to, if we want long lasting progress and employment we need to be willing to let the forces of the free market, hold accountable those businesses and individuals that have either overextended themselves, or have been engaging in bad business practices. As citizens we need to decide, if what we want for our children is a free society with free markets, where the most hard working and entrepreneurial can reach unlimited heights, or not.

To continue to bailout companies, without addressing the fundamental issues that has put them in the predicament that they are in, is like �spitting� in the wind, is a way of prolonging the arrival of an ultimate day of reckoning, which when it comes, will be much more harder to contend with, since our entire economic system will be under greater distress, due to all the �spitting in the wind� that it would have done by then.

To me it is not about personalities or political affiliation, be it Obama, Bush or McCain, it is about the philosophical direction that they want to take the country instead. The biggest disappointment about the last eight years has been the unfettered spending that the Bush administration has allowed under its watch, it would be totally inconsistent with my thinking to support someone who wants to do even more of that. President Bush receives my ardent criticism for the irresponsible way that he has allowed spending to run amuck, but I am not getting any comfort on this matter, as far as his would be replacement is concern.

You talked about helping the middle class, yet no other economic model in the history of mankind has done more for the middle class than capitalism, nor is the so called middle as high anywhere as it is in true capitalist�s societies. It is a fallacy to suggest that centralized planning and government control is a more viable solution, since the Bolshevik revolution of 1919 and during the entire 20th century, history has been littered with destroyed economies that sought to help the (middle class) with their protectionist ideas. I underscore middle class, because when it is the government who determines where the middle should be, there is no telling where that �middle� ends up at. Our own economy of the 1930s is a testament to that.

You mentioned punishing the greedy, if that was truly the objective, why are Franklin Raines, Tim Howard, Jim Johnson and Jaime Gorelick not under indictment? Not only are they not indicted, Franklin Raines was being considered for HUD secretary by the Obama team, until it became way to scandalous during the campaign, Jim Johnson was chosen to head the VP exploratory committee for Obama, and Jaime Gorelick is still being considered for a post on the upcoming administration.

You mentioned punishing the greedy, why are not representatives Barney Franks and Christopher Dodd under investigation for having benefitted with hundreds of thousands of dollars, from the very entities that they were suppose to oversee, entities that were completely permeated by the corruption derived out of the social engineering experiment called the �Community Reinvestment Act� and its facilitators Fannie and Freddie Mac?

I see that you also question the concept of trickledown economics, and so I must challenge that premise as well, the trickledown effect is what made our standard of living the greatest in the world, it is the imposition of ineffective and intrusive government regulations, as well as the highest corporate tax rate in the entire free world, that has interfered with the trickledown effect. This however, leads to a rather lengthy discussion, perhaps one more appropriate over a good bottle of wine.

Affectionately your brother, friend, paesano, or amigo. I�ll pass up on comrade.

Re: Mid-term Elections

Posted at 11/16/2008 11:43:55